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Blood n Guts

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#21 14 years ago

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[color=black]Manifest Destiny, it's just a euphemism for imperialism. We went to war with Spain, kicked out the Native Americans, the Hawiians, etc. to be the nation we are today. At the same time we say we haven't imperialized, we are as many say, an empire in denial. Then, when the people who use to live on those lands try to get past our borders we refuse and send them packing.

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[color=black]Name three 19th century nations that did not act in Imperialist ways that had the power to do so.[/color]

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[color=black]Vietnam[/color][color=black] is obviously a loaded subject, but it's a lesson that was never learned. This war can not be simply labelled a war between capitalism and communism, because it wasn't just that. Vietcong wanted to unite South Vietnam with North Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, who happened to be a communist nationalist. The fight between those two countries was a war of nationalism. However, sending troops in looking for a communist is bound to go wrong. After all, what does a communist look like? The more troops you send in looking for communists (The Vietnamese nationalists to them), the more it's going to look like imperialism, France all over again.

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[color=black]Yes, the VC and NVA were supplied by the USSR out of the kindness of its heart. If the war was truly about unification in 1975, the NVA wouldn't have slaughtered fleeing refugees. The Vietnam War seized to be about reunification after it was partitioned. Once it was divided into North and South, it became a political ideological war to achieve ideological domination of Vietnam. Of course the US fought a war of attrition to dissuade North Vietnam from trying to take over the South, instead of a strategic war to take over the North, the main reason why no progress was made.[/color]

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[color=black]Now the same thing is happening with Iraq and we simply can't understand why they don't want us, to them we are seen as invaders bringing in a culture they don't want. Besides, democracy isn't going to survive with a bad economy, it never works. Democracies have fallen before because of bad economies. When you can't feed your children, all of a sudden the right to vote isn't as important. We need to have our priorities straight in Iraq.

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[color=black]Most of the money that is being spent on Iraq is for the reconstruction of its economy. Most Iraqis were glad that Saddam was removed. It is only the radicals that see the US as invaders. The rest of Iraq just doesn't want an all out ethnic civil war to break out.[/color]




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#22 14 years ago
Blood n Guts[color=black]Name three 19th century nations that did not act in Imperialist ways that had the power to do so.[/color]

I know that, but you don't hear them evading the subject, they talk openly about it.




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#23 14 years ago
Ensign RilesThWhile France was taken over by Hitler and Britain was being bombed around the clock, we sit back and do nothing. Only when Pearl Harbor is attacked are we outraged.

France and Britain were getting their asses handed to them by Hitler because they thought nothing of him breaking the rules set by them in the Treaty of Versailles. World War II could have been avoided in 1933, but it was because of France and Britain failing to uphold their own sanctions did millions have to die. We had a policy of isolationism from the get go, and even before we entered war with Japan, and consequently Germany, we contributed to Britain's war effort via the Atlantic Charter and Lend-Lease Act. While Japan was invading Manchuria and mainland China, we cut their oil supplies, only to be attacked.




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#24 14 years ago

I do not feel that America is imperialistic or tyrannious in it's political stature, but that the American government, while calling itself democratic (and, at time, diplomatic) often abuses it's power both internationally and domestically. Virtually all countries, including the U.S., that some degree of global power and influence are shovenistic to at least a small degree and they are almost always going to accuse eachother of some type of wrong doing depending on what eachother's culture, customs, religions and standards are.

The main reason I feel that we are being labeled with such terms is that Middle Eastern and Asian countries have their own disputes between different peoples in the regions, and the U.S. is trying to 'correct' the behavior of the people over there whom they interpret to be unfriendly to America itself for the sake of expand it's empire on the ultimatum. It is a reoccurrence of history much like Napoleonic wars and the ancient crusades.




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#25 14 years ago

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Most Iraqis were glad that Saddam was removed. It is only the radicals that see the US as invaders

Maybe they did want Saddam to be removed, however they sure as hell don't want the U.S. to be there any longer.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3191932

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#26 14 years ago
WiseBoboFrance and Britain were getting their asses handed to them by Hitler because they thought nothing of him breaking the rules set by them in the Treaty of Versailles. World War II could have been avoided in 1933, but it was because of France and Britain failing to uphold their own sanctions did millions have to die.

Perhaps the treaty of versailles caused WW2, perhaps it would have been worse in the long run had France and Britain intervened in 1933. Think about it, there would have been a WW2, only later on with another dictator.




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#27 14 years ago
Komrad_BPerhaps the treaty of versailles caused WW2, perhaps it would have been worse in the long run had France and Britain intervened in 1933. Think about it, there would have been a WW2, only later on with another dictator.

No there would not have. Europe would be strictly adhering to the Treaty of Versailles; a different dictator scenario is beyond reality. Jeffbrak:




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#28 14 years ago
NordicvsI think people are too touchy or/and take things out of context--example, when I say something like, "Oh, that was a bad decision by the US." I don't mean the American people; I barely mean America itself. I'm referring to its leaders. However, when faced with ongoing arrogance, self-importance, disregard for human rights and international law, refusal to honor agreements and treaties, interference in the affairs of sovereign nations, and clearly racist remarks (yes, I'm talking about the attitude towards Arabs)...I don't think it's very shocking that the majority of the world does not like the United States. I think the USA's reputation is shot to hell. Respect must be earned. Same as trust.

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america had stuck its neck out for others more then what we should had done. example, it all beggins around ww1 most of europe was in deap trouble and we sent our boys over there untrained dedicated and well meaningful men of america to help the allies win. if it wasnt for us allies would had lost.

You came in a bit late didn't you? If you had of joined the war sooner many allied soldiers would have survived the war. I don't think the american people are evil and so on. I think that America as a nation feels that they have to fix the worlds problems. Unfortunately America usually wants something in return for fixing the problem. (oil anyone) That is what hacks people off.




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#29 14 years ago
WiseBobo Jeffbrak:

How dated are those photos? I'm talking about how Iraq's feel presently towards the United States. Not a year or two ago...




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#30 14 years ago
jeffbrakHow dated are those photos? I'm talking about how Iraq's feel presently towards the United States. Not a year or two ago...

Those photo's are from March.