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#31 14 years ago

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels -- men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. We Americans do not concern ourselves now with Impressionism. We own no involved philosophy. The psyche of the land is to be found in its movement. It is to be felt as a dramatic force of energy and vitality. We move; we do not stand still.




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#32 14 years ago
Beca de asesinos We move; we do not stand still.

Adding "or sit down and think" would sum up w.`s administration pretty good.




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#33 14 years ago

[color=black]WiseBobo:[/color]

[color=black]Regarding those photos...[/color]

[color=black]The bottom line is...if the Iraqi people truly wanted Saddam out, they would have strived to do so; they would have formed massive organizations and resistance movements and pleaded to the UN--not the US--for assistance. [/color]

[color=black]This was not so. They never asked for "liberation." They never asked for democracy; whether they want democracy or not is their business, not yours.[/color]

[color=black]That was their decision to make, not yours.[/color]

[color=black]And excuse me, but 10 photos fail to convince me that the Iraqi people believe that US troops are blessed angels, freeing them from a horrid existence. Seems to me that if troops illegally invade a country and shoot it to shit, destroying their homes, their access to clean drinking water, their means to earn a living and feed their children...well, yeah, they might just look favorably on receiving some rations so that their kids won't starve to death.[/color]

[color=black]Frankly, I think your posting of those photos is disgusting. They'll cut them in half and throw them a bandaid...blow the hell out of their houses and toss them some dried food. And let's not forget securing the Iraq oil supply...that's certainly in the big book of How to Free an Oppressed People (where's the photos of US troops guarding Iraqi oil, while US corporations assess their potential?) [/color]

[color=black]Oh yeah, they're Saints alright.[/color]

[color=black]I've seen lots of other photos, too, more photos, to the exact contrary.[/color]

[color=black]Sadly, not every civilian who has died in this invasion has been photographed. Here's some faceless victims:[/color]

[color=black]http://www.iraqbodycount.net/[/color]




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#34 14 years ago

I was thinking today, what if a place like North Korea threatened to nuke England. But they also give America some conditions that must be forfilled to prevent the nuke. just coming up with random ideas here: 1. Bush must resign 2. America must destroy its nuclear weapon systems. 3. America must withdraw all troops from peace keeping missions, and places around the globe. If these commands are not met, North Korea would nuke England, what would the word 'ally' sound like now? Im not sure if any of this is relevant but its a thought I had. And I respect america, we have helped them and they have helped us in times of need. Its the leaders who give america a bad name.




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#35 14 years ago
Nusentinsaino(I dont mean to be stereotypical but...) I wonder why those people who "hate" the American system or America itself still spew ugly insults to where they currently live? Whats wrong with America? The government or the political system may be stupid at certain times in my opinion but those who say that America is imperialistc or tyrannious should think twice because take a look on the society of North Korea, The Middle East, Africa, etc. its horrible there... really horrible. Mass killings and terrible wars are going on there and yet... we are safe and enjoying life here in America... you people should be thankful that we are Americans because this is the best place for anybody to live in apart from the policitcal system. I love America, it is beautiful and peaceful.

You answered your own question in your first post. See if you can figure out what it is and disprove another generalisation in the process.




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#36 14 years ago
Nusentinsaino(I dont mean to be stereotypical but...) I wonder why those people who "hate" the American system or America itself still spew ugly insults to where they currently live? Whats wrong with America? The government or the political system may be stupid at certain times in my opinion but those who say that America is imperialistc or tyrannious should think twice because take a look on the society of North Korea, The Middle East, Africa, etc. its horrible there... really horrible. Mass killings and terrible wars are going on there and yet... we are safe and enjoying life here in America... you people should be thankful that we are Americans because this is the best place for anybody to live in apart from the policitcal system. I love America, it is beautiful and peaceful.

About whom are you talking anyway? It's quite obvious why some people in Iraq hate Americans. In their position you probably would feel just the same.




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#37 14 years ago

First you have to consider what America is:

To Americans, America is 'The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave', a place of beauty and liberty where you can live your life in comfort without worrying about much. Americans have a strong patriotic, national identity and this is seen in American culture from the Pleadge of Allegience to the custom of flying the Flag outside of one's home. America is often united in purpose and has overcome, through strength of will, adversity and oppression. American are right to boast of the greatness of their nation as they see it. Sometimes I wish my own nation was able to display such unified pride as opposed to quiet disenchantment.

However, to the rest of the world, America is not seen through such rose tinted glasses. In Europe, many consider the United States to be rogue. A young nation blessed with big guns and the lack of conscience to use them. Many see your nation as war mongering, hungry for power and success and adventure.

Perhaps this is the natural cause of any nation. There are buildings in my home town which are older than America. Europe has a history of such depth and richness which America could only dream of! We had civilisation, wars, civil strife, revolutions, Kings and Queens, rebellion, invasion, debasement. Europe did things in it's early day, and 270 odd years is infancy for a nation on our planet, which we're not proud of.

The difference is that we went through our troubled times at a time when the opinion of the world mattered not. We did not have instant television coverage of worldwide events and we did not have things like The United Nations to police our activities. We were free to do as we please (Crusade, butcher, massacre, enslave) without considering the opinions of others.

America does not have this luxury. As the most powerful nation on the planet it obviously attracts more than it's fair share of attention. From the spread of Hollywood to Hip Hop Culture, MTV, Disney, even the damned internet! America influences the planet and therefore the planet feels you must be held accountable for sins 100 times less than the things we have done in the past.

Perhaps we should not disrespect America, perhaps we should view it as the youngling it is and allow the crimes commited against Iraq, Vietnam, and a host of others. Perhaps we should smile knowlingly at this grab for power, both political, economic and military across the globe. America is but a child and we should perhaps allow this child to be unruly. All children are capable of acts which maturity finds reprehensible. Most children do eventually grow up.

I have many American friends I have met through this forum. There are people I agree with, people I disagree with, people I admire, people I despise. I do not disrespct the American people, I perhaps disagree with some of the actions of the American Government and I can sometimes despair at the attitudes displayed by some American participants here. But, I also despair of some of the actions or opinions of children.

They are too young to know better and perhaps America is too.




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#38 14 years ago

[color=black]AzH, a very elequent insight that was. Some of it I agree with--America is quite young. And children do sometimes behave badly; however, letting a spoiled schoolyard bully get away with murder isn't setting a good example for other young nations--and not all young nations are so unruly. That's why there are rules on this planet--we all have to follow them.[/color]

[color=black]If Canada began acting like the US, I'd move. Well, I'm considering moving from North America anyway...to perhaps Russia. Probably Europe, though, maybe in 5 years or so.[/color]

[color=black]Great post, BTW.[/color]




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#39 14 years ago
NusentinsainoYeah, its the media and the government (Bush) that makes America look like assholes and pigs... while in reality... there are millions of people living their own ways in their own homes with their family in a town with bars and friends to chill with and movies to see... etc.

Here here. Absolutely! Nusentinsaino, you have pretty much said exactly the truth. Our government is full of corruption, but our people (most of them) are people living just like any people - trying to usually make the best of what is given to them. Some of them are skewed in mind, just like in any culture. But as a whole, people usually wish to see out the best of things. If we're going to ever have peace in the world (which probably will never happen) it is the general population that is living for the best of things that will bring about this greatness. There are those who try, then there are those who try and fail but try again, then those who try and fail and never try again, but then there are the assholes who try and fail then give in to fear and chaos to handle their problems. Remember that on a nation-to-nation basis, politicians represent nations - not the people, and if so, rarely the people represent. That's why we have people in this world who give in to chaos and fear at the very thought of how bad our governments are, when in truth, millions, perhaps billions, live to make things better for themselves but also their families and their homelands. The courage, steadiness, and patience of most of the human race has, in reality, brought a world of darkness in the Dark Ages to a world that is at least somewhat better than it was then. Not only America, but the world as a whole, has people of so many walks of life. America is said to be "the melting pot" of the world, but in truth, the world's one big (and small) melting pot. There are no separate races of peoples - there is one race among humans - and it is just that - the race of humanity. The only way to class a person is by what they do, not by who their father was. Not by what their government represents. True freedom is not just in democracy, but in a people being able to choose what their government will be. Freedom is where people are classed by what they do, not where they came from and who their ancestors are or what government they live under. Patriotism may be for a nation, should be for the entire world, and never should be JUST for one's government. And with that, faith must endure for freedom to endure. Faith, but not a blind faith - faith with ambition - not for power, but to make things better as much as one can - for themselves and for others if possible. Nusent, it's been quite a long time since I've heard something so intelligent said about America. Bush couldn't do even half that well if he tried, as we have seen and will see again. :clap: Also, AzH, well said!!! :mihailhatesu: You're definitely better with words than I. ;)




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#40 14 years ago
AzHPerhaps we should not disrespect America, perhaps we should view it as the youngling it is and allow the crimes commited against Iraq, Vietnam, and a host of others. Perhaps we should smile knowlingly at this grab for power, both political, economic and military across the globe. America is but a child and we should perhaps allow this child to be unruly. All children are capable of acts which maturity finds reprehensible. Most children do eventually grow up.

truly an easy view to have but it is purely academic. we are not just talking about theories here, and this is not simply a 'child' learning to walk and talk. this is real actions with real consequences. you can of course analyse the situation with the 'child theory', but do not forget what it is the 'child' is doing.