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AzH

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#41 14 years ago
'Dreadnought[DK']do not forget what it is the 'child' is doing.

I haven't forgotten. You know I have been one of the more outspoken critics of America. What America is doing now in iraq is no different to what the Catholic nations of Europe did during the Crusades, in fact America has more motivation than 'God told me to do it'. All nations are guilty of sins against others, America just happened to engage in hers during the information age. If this was 500 years ago we wouldn't care or even know about the U.S. invasion of Iraq.




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#42 14 years ago
AzHI haven't forgotten. You know I have been one of the more outspoken critics of America. What America is doing now in iraq is no different to what the Catholic nations of Europe did during the Crusades, in fact America has more motivation than 'God told me to do it'. All nations are guilty of sins against others, America just happened to engage in hers during the information age. If this was 500 years ago we wouldn't care or even know about the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

:bows: You typed exacly what i thought but wasnt able to formulate, this is very true.. However, since we now have the luxury of caring, not having to struggle for survival every we day, we can and should bitch at the US for misbehaving like they do.




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#43 14 years ago

I didnt even read all the responses, too many. I will say this though: America is a great place to live, but we are just as conflicted as many other countries are. We may not have blood in our streets, but people disappear every day in this country because they are labeld "terrorists". I still love living here, but I think the fear and hatred spawned by 9/11 has caused us to lose our way. I mean, we must have if we elected king dumbshit back into office the way we did. The best line from Star Wars was given by Natalie Portman, in the special session of the senate, when she says "So this is how liberty dies: to thunderous applause." Think about that for a minute, then reflect on the things that have been going wrong in our country as of late. Our Senate cant get a thing done, for example, because they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. We all think it cant happen, but this country is starting to implode and eat itself from within. And for what? Because a few politicians (on both sides of the aisle) cant get along? Its time we take back our country and make it what it once was: the envy of the world. Theres a reason most of the world hates us, and it does NOT have everything to do with jealousy. Our actions speak louder than our words, and its time people woke up and fought for what is right, instead of pandering lock-step to radical members of either political party. Theyre both wrong at this point, because all they care about is power. Sure, some of them only want the power to do good, but even so, peoples priorities need a serious reconsidering. Logic out.




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#44 14 years ago
Logical_IronyI didnt even read all the responses, too many. I will say this though: America is a great place to live, but we are just as conflicted as many other countries are. We may not have blood in our streets, but people disappear every day in this country because they are labeld "terrorists". I still love living here, but I think the fear and hatred spawned by 9/11 has caused us to lose our way. I mean, we must have if we elected king dumbshit back into office the way we did. The best line from Star Wars was given by Natalie Portman, in the special session of the senate, when she says "So this is how liberty dies: to thunderous applause." Think about that for a minute, then reflect on the things that have been going wrong in our country as of late. Our Senate cant get a thing done, for example, because they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. We all think it cant happen, but this country is starting to implode and eat itself from within. And for what? Because a few politicians (on both sides of the aisle) cant get along? Its time we take back our country and make it what it once was: the envy of the world. Theres a reason most of the world hates us, and it does NOT have everything to do with jealousy. Our actions speak louder than our words, and its time people woke up and fought for what is right, instead of pandering lock-step to radical members of either political party. Theyre both wrong at this point, because all they care about is power. Sure, some of them only want the power to do good, but even so, peoples priorities need a serious reconsidering. Logic out.

Very good quote from that movie by the way, and from a great actress! Definitely is much relevance in some of the movies we see today. Priorities need to be rebalanced - pretty much completely. If not, then all that we have is a downfalling nation and a bunch of politicians playing the tug-of-war forever.




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#45 14 years ago

I don't hate America, I don't hate any country on this world. I don't judge people from wich country they're from, I judge them from how they act. I wont lie, I strongly disagree with the American government, and I think it's there the problem lies. If you criticize the American government you're labeled as anti-american. If you talk to a britton you can say that Blair is an idiot and if you talk to a Swede you can say that Göran Persson (google is your friend) is an ass, most people wouldn't care, hell, don't be surprised if most people would agree with you! Now if you'd say that Bush is a bitch you're suddenly hating America and it's people. I know, I'm generalizing a bit, but I'm basing this rant on personal experience.




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#46 14 years ago
Mast3rofPuppetsI don't hate America, I don't hate any country on this world. I don't judge people from wich country they're from, I judge them from how they act. I wont lie, I strongly disagree with the American government, and I think it's there the problem lies. If you criticize the American government you're labeled as anti-american. If you talk to a britton you can say that Blair is an idiot and if you talk to a Swede you can say that Göran Persson (google is your friend) is an ass, most people wouldn't care, hell, don't be surprised if most people would agree with you! Now if you'd say that Bush is a bitch you're suddenly hating America and it's people. I know, I'm generalizing a bit, but I'm basing this rant on personal experience.

No, youre not generalizing, youre absolutely right. They are trying now to control the media as well, so NO dissenting opinion can be let loose. They have a stranglehold on every aspect of free speech in this country, and if you speak your mind, and you happen to not agree with the current administration, you are labled a traitor, and un-American. Excuse me, but the whole reason I care enough to say anything in the first place is because I love my country, and my home enough to do so. This country was founded by a group of dissenters. You could make the case that the very principles our country were founded on were the principles of dissent. We are supposed to speak up against a government we dont agree with. Why do you think the amendment dealing with free speech is FIRST?? That brings us to the example of the Newsweek article. Even if it did cause those riots in Afghanistan (which it obviously didnt, are you all retarded? It was caused because they dont like us building bases all over the middle east-our general of military operations even said so), I think that the truth needs to get out there. If we are commiting all these atrocities and violations of the Geneva Convention (which has suddenly been declared obsolete?? What??), then the only way we can enact change is if the people know about it, and put pressure on our government. Do you think they will punish and police themselves? No. Its up to the American people to make sure our government truly represents us, as it was meant to. Dubya does NOT have a "mandate" to rule this country, there were 49 million people that voted against him, remember? We have a voice too.




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#47 14 years ago

Azh...you have added a new perspective that I wouldn't have thought of in a million years. Excellent posts! :mihailhatesu:




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#48 14 years ago
Logical_IronyThat brings us to the example of the Newsweek article. Even if it did cause those riots in Afghanistan (which it obviously didnt, are you all retarded? It was caused because they dont like us building bases all over the middle east-our general of military operations even said so), I think that the truth needs to get out there. If we are commiting all these atrocities and violations of the Geneva Convention (which has suddenly been declared obsolete?? What??), then the only way we can enact change is if the people know about it, and put pressure on our government. Do you think they will punish and police themselves? No. Its up to the American people to make sure our government truly represents us, as it was meant to. Dubya does NOT have a "mandate" to rule this country, there were 49 million people that voted against him, remember? We have a voice too.

Yes, that's a good point. It's very easy to forgot that he got in by a slim margin; I myself forget it sometimes, too...49 million people voted against him, standing up for what's right. I have a very good friend in Georgia, and these last three years have really strained our friendship--we've agreed to not talk politics at all, and so far it's working, sort of. Still, it can be at times difficult to look past the BS and see that there are lots of decent and honorable people in the US.




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#49 14 years ago

Oh god, man, I'm so sorry for disrespectin' your wheels... You go on about what a nice place America is to live, but we don't live there so we're hardly likely to care about what a nice place America is to live. You say we should look at the middle eastern countries and compare against them, I can compare myself to Satan and find myself better, does this then make me God? You call America 'beautiful and peaceful' and I'd like to be able to agree, but invasion has never been a peaceful business, and while things may be beautiful on the surface that is not true vouching for the heart that beats inside. You're happy with America, fair enough, but many people aren't many of your fellow citizens and many of your brothers and sisters in the world at large;and what is worse they have legitimate complaints. There is only one thing more dangerous in this world than stupid people with imagined grievances, and that is intelligent people with real grievances; you ignore such a thing at your very great peril. I'm sorry for disrespectin' your wheels man, but until you clean up the pollution we don't want them on our roads.




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#50 14 years ago
AzHFirst you have to consider what America is: To Americans, America is 'The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave', a place of beauty and liberty where you can live your life in comfort without worrying about much. Americans have a strong patriotic, national identity and this is seen in American culture from the Pleadge of Allegience to the custom of flying the Flag outside of one's home. America is often united in purpose and has overcome, through strength of will, adversity and oppression. American are right to boast of the greatness of their nation as they see it. Sometimes I wish my own nation was able to display such unified pride as opposed to quiet disenchantment. However, to the rest of the world, America is not seen through such rose tinted glasses. In Europe, many consider the United States to be rogue. A young nation blessed with big guns and the lack of conscience to use them. Many see your nation as war mongering, hungry for power and success and adventure. Perhaps this is the natural cause of any nation. There are buildings in my home town which are older than America. Europe has a history of such depth and richness which America could only dream of! We had civilisation, wars, civil strife, revolutions, Kings and Queens, rebellion, invasion, debasement. Europe did things in it's early day, and 270 odd years is infancy for a nation on our planet, which we're not proud of. The difference is that we went through our troubled times at a time when the opinion of the world mattered not. We did not have instant television coverage of worldwide events and we did not have things like The United Nations to police our activities. We were free to do as we please (Crusade, butcher, massacre, enslave) without considering the opinions of others. America does not have this luxury. As the most powerful nation on the planet it obviously attracts more than it's fair share of attention. From the spread of Hollywood to Hip Hop Culture, MTV, Disney, even the damned internet! America influences the planet and therefore the planet feels you must be held accountable for sins 100 times less than the things we have done in the past. Perhaps we should not disrespect America, perhaps we should view it as the youngling it is and allow the crimes commited against Iraq, Vietnam, and a host of others. Perhaps we should smile knowlingly at this grab for power, both political, economic and military across the globe. America is but a child and we should perhaps allow this child to be unruly. All children are capable of acts which maturity finds reprehensible. Most children do eventually grow up. I have many American friends I have met through this forum. There are people I agree with, people I disagree with, people I admire, people I despise. I do not disrespct the American people, I perhaps disagree with some of the actions of the American Government and I can sometimes despair at the attitudes displayed by some American participants here. But, I also despair of some of the actions or opinions of children. They are too young to know better and perhaps America is too.

VERY good point. However, theres another perspective as well: Our country was founded by people familiar with the atrocities commited by many in Europe, and sought to come here to escape all that. We were all brought up believing we were better than that. In fact, our country is so brainwashed that we think, no matter what we do, we can slap a label of "liberty" on it, and our country will just eat it up, and so will the rest of the world. Well, the people who proliferate that ideology are dead wrong, and people are starting to wake up to this fact. Well said, AzH