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jackripped

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#1 11 years ago

Was the big bang really the beginning of time? Or did the universe exist before then? Such a question seemed almost blasphemous only a decade ago. Most cosmologists insisted that it simply made no sense--that to contemplate a time before the big bang was like asking for directions to a place north of the North Pole. But developments in theoretical physics, especially the rise of string theory, have changed their perspective. l was wondering how many people believe time started with the big bang, and how many believe it started before the big bang ? l put a poll up.




AlDaja

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#2 11 years ago

I don't think "time" began with the big bang, The creation of our universe is a continuation of this force we know little about, another cosmic creation among trillions that spawn our 3-dimensional string billions of years ago. Our universe and time as we know it is just a continuation of something far earlier that we may never discover.




Karst

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#3 11 years ago

Time can only be measured or even defined if there is matter that can be observed. Before matter, and before light, no definition of time could be applied. So no, time didn't exist before the universe.




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#4 11 years ago
Karst;5173824Time can only be measured or even defined if there is matter that can be observed. Before matter, and before light, no definition of time could be applied. So no, time didn't exist before the universe.

Very in the box, but we can only assume.




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#5 11 years ago

It depends on the point from where you're observing it really. From this universe? I'd have to say it started with the big bang.

From another... who knows?




Mr. Pedantic

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#6 11 years ago

How does option number 3 make sense?

Very in the box, but we can only assume.

If you have nobody or nothing to observe time, then it doesn't exist.




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#7 11 years ago

Mr. Pedantic;5173865How does option number 3 make sense?

If you have nobody or nothing to observe time, then it doesn't exist.

...because we have yet to realize it therefore current/known instruction trumps? I'm certain leaders of the Catholic Church said the same thing about the heavens with earth being the center. "Then it doesn't exist" is dangerous in the mind of science. That's whey scientists who deal with the very concept of time don't use so black and white labels when dealing with time. They prefer "has yet to be discovered/determine" or "as yet unknown to exist".




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#8 11 years ago
...because we have yet to realize it therefore current/known instruction trumps? I'm certain leaders of the Catholic Church said the same thing about the heavens with earth being the center. "Then it doesn't exist" is dangerous in the mind of science. That's whey scientists who deal with the very concept of time don't use so black and white labels when dealing with time. They prefer "has yet to be discovered/determine" or "as yet unknown to exist".

When you die, what happens to your personal perception of time? Does it keep on going? No, it doesn't. It stops. Time relies on matter being present to keep ticking. Without any matter to measure entropy and decay on, it may as well not exist. It doesn't do anything. It has no purpose. So, before there was a universe, even if there were 'time', what good would it do? It would be ticking (or whatever sound you prefer, I'm not fussy) away, measuring...diddly squat. That's what I mean when I say it doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything. It's not affected by anything. It doesn't affect anything in turn. There's nothing there to acknowledge its existence.




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#9 11 years ago
Mr. Pedantic;5173895When you die, what happens to your personal perception of time?

I have yet to find out, as have you. Don't be presumptuous.

Does it keep on going?

Yes.

No, it doesn't. It stops.

What? No, it doesn't. Time continues on whether we are around to perceive it or not.

Time relies on matter being present to keep ticking.

Interesting...many in the scientific community would find that laughable.

Without any matter to measure entropy and decay on, it may as well not exist. It doesn't do anything. It has no purpose. So, before there was a universe, even if there were 'time', what good would it do?

It does what it does, it is not up to us to decide why time exists. It existed before we came on the scene and it will when we are long erased from the universe.

It would be ticking (or whatever sound you prefer, I'm not fussy) away, measuring...diddly squat. That's what I mean when I say it doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything. It's not affected by anything. It doesn't affect anything in turn. There's nothing there to acknowledge its existence.

If a bear sh'ts in the woods...sure, from a human perspective time exists to serve our needs, but time, again has always been and always will be.




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#10 11 years ago

But wasn't there matter before the big bang? It was just all condensed in a small ball. So if that matter existed before the big bang, and time is dependent on the existence of matter, then couldn't have there been time prior to the big bang?