So, I was having a discussion at work earlier on today.. As it happens, it started off on a discussion about Death, and what actually happens to you (if anything) when you die. One of the conclusions, were that, once your life has ended, 'you' end up in a state of non-time, where you exist, but time is irrelevant, thus there is what we thought of as an 'afterlife' but time has no meaning, nor concept there. It would be, that you Die, and your 'image' of what the Afterlife would look like, would be placed in your mind, just before you 'shut off', and then your existence would become timeless. You'd not know time. You'd exist (or be in existence) but not as you know it now. I guess you'd kind of just be 'there'. Not doing anything, not going anywhere, but 'you' would be 'there'. It is a hard concept to understand. Us Humans can't contemplate an existence without Time, we simply can't comprehend it. I read somewhere, that scientists believe, that outside of the Universe, there is nothing, and that Time is non-existent. The Universe would be (or act) as a huge Sphere shaped object, with everything going on inside it, and nothing on the outside. The only error in that regard, is that the 'Big Bang' created the Universe, and that would have been due to atoms forming or whatever. That being the case, 'time' has to exist, at least in some form, else the atoms wouldn't have done anything, and the universe wouldn't have been created. A strange topic, a weird concept, and something that the Human Brain can't currently work out. I would however like to get people's thoughts on the matter. Not too much in regards to Death, that was just a part of the 'non-time' thing, but about 'Time' in general.
It depends on how you define universe; The thing that the usiverse is the expanding amount of matter that we are part of, or the thing that all matter is contained in. You may think these are the same, but no. The universe could just be expaning in a medium of nothing. Time would exist, but the universe would be filling this infinity gradually. Let me explain the second one furthur. Lets say I set off in any direction at just over 100Km/s. Logically if the rate of expansion of the universe remained static, we would get to the edge. We then pass through and beyond the edge. Outside of this is probably be nothing. Just nothing. The universe would continue expanding into this nothingness, but we would have extended the edge of it in one direction because we have brought matter outside that "sphere" of matter (I know its not a sphere but I can't think fo a better word). Outside this sphere, time would still exist. You would still continue, but you would not percieve time happening in the nothingness, as there is nothing for us to percieve it in. Thus I think that the infinity of space has time in it, we can only see the effects when matter is present. What does confuse me though, is why the universe is accelarating in the rate of expantion. That blows my mind, as there is no logical reason that I can think of for it to happen. As for dying, I really don't know. Apparently the white light is your nerves in your eyes firing at random as your body shuts down. After that I suppose you would just cease to exist. An empty shell. Seems odd, but I often wonder what it would be like being dead. Religious people would go to where-ever they felt necessary. But I think I will just stop. Its kind of scary, but it should be interesting.
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Some people also believe death isn't just the end, just another journey as for afterlife well who knows? Only the dead would know, for all we know we go to what heaven you believe in, or we don't we'll only know once we cease to live
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I think the human brain is a sort of computer with no real hard drive, everything you are depends on you being alive, once the power goes out, the computer stops working, and you are no more. It's depressing, but thats it, good thing is you wont be able to be upset about being dead. :)
I posted this in the Hoax of Evolution thread and jeff&eddie ignored it (as he has most of my posts that should have meant something). It's strange that religion says you'll go somewhere after you die. As far as we know, you have no "soul" for lack of a better word, that could go anywhere. You, you are your thoughts happening inside a blob of flesh called the brain. Your brain dies, your thoughts die, nothing left except your body. Religion would have you think that you go somewhere after you die, but in my opinion that's just avoiding the truth. No matter how depressing or sad the truth is I'd rather have that than living in a false belief or expecting something that never will be.
SunrayThe universe would continue expanding into this nothingness, but we would have extended the edge of it in one direction because we have brought matter outside that "sphere" of matter (I know its not a sphere but I can't think fo a better word).
I've believed for a while that(afterlife), perhaps the conscious being if it contained any matter at all would be of a different dimension, hence it wouldn't be physically part of the plane of existence we're on right now. My perspective is difficult to explain, but that's part of what it's based on.
I was starting to get pretty philosophical in the next paragraph, so I'll save it for when the discussion evolves into that..
Today it is widely accepted that the shape of the universe is a parabolic arch, which would go against the physics of a "big bang", which should be sphere. So out the window that theory goes.
As for time itself, it's something that has always been, since the earliest moments before we were created. There is nothing without time, that in of itself is illogical since "nothing" by definition is the absence of something, and time is something.
Anyways, as for what happens when you die, simple. Your soul is immediately judged, and you are either sent to Hell(the absense of God) or you ascend into Heaven. You don't have a body, but rather your conciousness remains in existance. Simple.
Tas;3651495I think the human brain is a sort of computer with no real hard drive, everything you are depends on you being alive, once the power goes out, the computer stops working, and you are no more. It's depressing, but thats it, good thing is you wont be able to be upset about being dead. :)
Sad but true, at least with what we know.
However, what we know doesnt rule out a continued existance of another kind, whether it be in hell or be in heaven, or in some other place. Generally, the prefered existance following life on earth is Heaven. But you have to do good deeds to earn yourself a spot in there...:)
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Personally I believe in reincarnation, but in another one of the universes in the multiverse. It's a pretty simple idea if you know about the multiverse.
Reincarnation has always been and will always be plausible - However, reincarnated into a multiverse? I know about the multiverse, and I see that it is a simple idea. However, I dont beleive anyones life energy is going to be transferred into another universe, life energy being recycled in our own universe is much more plausible. Afterburner, I'm not insulting your beliefs, or reincarnation - but to me, the part with the multiverses doesnt quite seem beleivable.
But hey, we're talking about the stuff that goes on after (and/or) during death, so anything is believable.