U.S. abstinence drive hurts AIDS fight 107 replies

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Pethegreat VIP Member

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#81 13 years ago
Komrad_BNo. You have a condom, remember. The 5% is now much lower than 1%. 1. Have a condom. That's the point of giving them those. 2. Like Chemix said, learn to make sexy ladies pass AIDS test. Pure abstinance "work" in theory, but I doubt you can make 800 000 000 people to stop having sex roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif

You tell them Doing your sister or any woman means certain death since aids cannot be cured at this time. Threat of death will work, no one wants to die if they can pervent it. Yes you have to give up the pleasure but what is better being alive or having that pleasure and dying from aids? And I doubt all 800million africans can get tested for Aids.




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#82 13 years ago
Pethegreat™You tell them Doing your sister or any woman means certain death since aids cannot be cured at this time.

This is a pure lie. Or a completely illogical and stupid statement

Threat of death will work, no one wants to die if they can pervent it.

Do you really think they believe that having sex instantly means death? You won't make people believe in your solutions if you lie to them roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif . Lets say i'm an african, and a white guy would tell me "don't have sex or you'll die!". Then can this white guy please explain me why my mother isn't death by now? Or why I know douzens of people who had sex without problems? While they do not have our education, they are not necessarely stupid or childish.




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#83 13 years ago
Komrad_BThis is a pure lie. Or a completely illogical and stupid statement Do you really think they believe that having sex instantly means death? You won't make people believe in your solutions if you lie to them roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif . Lets say i'm an african, and a white guy would tell me "don't have sex or you'll die!". Then can this white guy please explain me why my mother isn't death by now? Or why I know douzens of people who had sex without problems? While they do not have our education, they are not necessarely stupid or childish.

Since they can't tell and HIV postive from and HIV negative, everyone in africe should be treated as a HIV or aids patient, like we do in US medicine(trust me, my mom is a medical assistant). They also don't need any more kids since they can't take care of their own or feed their own population.




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#84 13 years ago
Pethegreat™They also don't need any more kids since they can't take care of their own or feed their own population.

roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif You've never heard about "hollow generations" did you?




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#85 13 years ago
Mr. MattThere's the flaw in the idea, though. NOBODY WILL ADHERE TO IT! WE DON'T ADHERE TO IT! WHY ARE THE AFRICANS GOING TO WHEN WE DO NOT? People keep touting 'education' and 'abstinence' as the big solutions, but they keep ignoring the fact that they haven't worked here. Why are they going to work in Africa?! Uh huh. Again, if these methods don't work in the West (i.e. our problems are getting worse despite education and testing) why exactly are they going to work in Africa? Why are the Africans going to agree to abstinence when we don't practice it ourselves?[/QUOTE]Oh, my God thanks for putting that in bold and point 7 font becuase you, know, I didn't have to dig out my glasses for that one. roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif. If we havn't solved the problem here then why the hell should we be trying to solve it in other countries? Your totally missing my point which is that I don't think we should be wasting money by pouring it into Africa.
'Dreadnought[DK']because you think it's wrong to practise (relatively) safe sex?
Yeah. Let's just put words into peoples mouths when we dont like what they say. Whether you want to practice safe sex or not is a personal choice. I'm not going to poke my nose into it because its none of my business. My money being spent to buy condoms for Africans is my business. [QUOTE='Dreadnought[DK]'] if not's it's the job of the US to save people in africa, then why is it the job of the US to 'save people' in iraq?

Because we didn't invade Africa and we are not responsible for re-building their nation.




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#86 13 years ago
Pethegreat™Since they can't tell and HIV postive from and HIV negative, everyone in africe should be treated as a HIV or aids patient, like we do in US medicine(trust me, my mom is a medical assistant). They also don't need any more kids since they can't take care of their own or feed their own population.

That would be nice, if we could afford it!




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#87 13 years ago
Tap112Oh, my God thanks for putting that in bold and point 7 font becuase you, know, I didn't have to dig out my glasses for that one. roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif. If we havn't solved the problem here then why the hell should we be trying to solve it in other countries? Your totally missing my point which is that I don't think we should be wasting money by pouring it into Africa. Yeah. Let's just put words into peoples mouths when we dont like what they say. Whether you want to practice safe sex or not is a personal choice. I'm not going to poke my nose into it because its none of my business. My money being spent to buy condoms for Africans is my business. Because we didn't invade Africa and we are not responsible for re-building their nation.

So you basically are going off topic by saying that spending money in Africa is useless. I understand what you mean, I have the same problem too... My government is sending millions of MY money to save your fellow compatriots in Nll. Orlean. I think we should just leave them to die, what a waste of canadian money! What is the point in building close to the sea anyways?

Since they can't tell and HIV postive from and HIV negative, everyone in africe should be treated as a HIV or aids patient, like we do in US medicine(trust me, my mom is a medical assistant).

Oh, so we should ALL be considered potentially HIV positive now? AIDS is everywere, not just in Africa... LETS STOP MAKING BABIES! EVERYONE! Maybe we should castrate the whole human race...




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#88 13 years ago
Pethegreat™You tell them Doing your sister or any woman means certain death since aids cannot be cured at this time. Threat of death will work, no one wants to die if they can pervent it. Yes you have to give up the pleasure but what is better being alive or having that pleasure and dying from aids? And I doubt all 800million africans can get tested for Aids.

This is utter bullshit, they don't exactly have an infinite trust of outsiders, nor an infinite amount of stupidity. Both of which would be required for this to work unless you went into each hut every night to check if anyone was screwing someone, then drag them both out kicking and screaming and shoot them. But that would kind of defeat the purpose wouldn't it now?




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#89 13 years ago

Just curious, but how exactly is it America's responsibility for the rest of the world having condoms or not? If there's such a great need for them, then why isn't that France's responsibility? Or Germany's? Or the UN's? Or any other nation's?

And, whether or not the message is heeded, why would anyone just encouraging abstinance be a bad thing? Did they follow the delivery of the message by taking everyone's condoms at gunpoint or something?




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#90 13 years ago
ObliviousJust curious, but how exactly is it America's responsibility for the rest of the world having condoms or not? If there's such a great need for them, then why isn't that France's responsibility? Or Germany's? Or the UN's? Or any other nation's?

Because they are all already giving millions to third world countries and deploying peacekeeping forces all around the world. They are also giving aid to help with crisis (example : Canada is currently pouring millions to help you recover from Katrina). The USA is actually one of the western countries wich gives one of the LOWEST international aid per capita.

And, whether or not the message is heeded, why would anyone just encouraging abstinance be a bad thing? Did they follow the delivery of the message by taking everyone's condoms at gunpoint or something?

Abstinance should not be the main AIDS fighting policy. You can encourage restraint combined with condoms and tests, but telling people "THOU SHALT NOT FUCK OR THOU SHALT DIE AND BURN IN HELL!" is not a good idea.