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redm VIP Member

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#71 14 years ago

Think about my fishing license comment. Its like many other things, the governments lay down guildines for obtaining a license and gettings its benefit. In this case, the guildlines are between a man and a woman.

As far as religion goes, no, I think almost all arguments are going to tie back into religion but for many that's what gives us a base for our moral and ethical beliefs. We're all entitled to our beliefs.




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#72 14 years ago
redmThink about my fishing license comment. Its like many other things, the governments lay down guildines for obtaining a license and gettings its benefit. In this case, the guildlines are between a man and a woman. As far as religion goes, no, I think almost all arguments are going to tie back into religion but for many that's what gives us a base for our moral and ethical beliefs. We're all entitled to our beliefs.

but because of seperation of church and state religion cant be brought into the argument but it is something like the fishing liscense the government is the one who issues marriage liscenses also if they say that they want marriage for the benefits then think bout this the (few) benefits that come with marriage are made to help families who are raising children so why would gay people need those benefits also 50% of strait marriages end in divorce so what do you think the % of divorced gays will be? i think the main reason why they want marriage is so they can think of themselfs as "normal" but they arent so they cant be treated as normal so they can think that what their doing is not a "wrong" think but IS a wrong thing and it is NOT normal so it should not be treated as normal like i said earlier 50% of all strait marriages end divorce and this is a sign that the morality of America is going down 50 years ago it was unheard of for someone to get a divorce and now its hard to find a husband and wife who have been together for 15 years so instead of trying to get gay people to have marriage why dont we find a way to keep 50% of strait marriages from ending in divorce




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#73 14 years ago

I know someone said this before, but I just can't help it... Punctuation is your friend.




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#74 14 years ago
by redm Freedom of speech, is a right. Freedom to have lots of guns is a right. Freedom to marry isnt a right. Its a license that is regulated by state / local / federal government. Like fishing

The flaw with that is that you have to have a lisence for certain guns. But, those to rights you spoke of are rights because they are garaunteed by the constitution. The constitution also garauntees that all rights not given to the states or the federal government are reserved for the people. And why would you want to ban gay marriage. The nation is strapped for cash. Many places are trying to come up with the money to keep schools open. You pay money for a marriage liscence wether you are gay or straight. -Another point-

by me Can anyone give a reason to outlaw gay marriage that has nothing to do with religion?

You can't, can you?




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#75 14 years ago
colonel_bobI know someone said this before, but I just can't help it... Punctuation is your friend.

lol i really dont care this is a forum its not like were writing an english paper




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#76 14 years ago

1. Emeric, don't be an igno. There are tons of benefits to marriage. Visitation rights, insurance coverage, estate matters, all sorts of important things.

2. It is true that homosexuality isn't normal, but neither is diabetes. It's a natural thing.

3. The reason that divorce rates have risen is that divorces are available now. It used to be that in an unhappy marriage, the wife and husband just hated each other until one died. How is that worse than divorce? Studies show that unhappy marriages screw up kids even worse than divorce, because the negativity just festers.




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#77 14 years ago
moof1. Emeric, don't be an igno. There are tons of benefits to marriage. Visitation rights, insurance coverage, estate matters, all sorts of important things. 2. It is true that homosexuality isn't normal, but neither is diabetes. It's a natural thing. 3. The reason that divorce rates have risen is that divorces are available now. It used to be that in an unhappy marriage, the wife and husband just hated each other until one died. How is that worse than divorce? Studies show that unhappy marriages screw up kids even worse than divorce, because the negativity just festers.

you cant compare diabetes to being gay because people dont choose to be diabetic lots of people have room mates for houses and aparptments so you can rule out them getting married for estate matters, insurance coverage benefits with marriage are mainly for a family with children so you can rule out them getting married for insurance matters, and then visitation rights if your talking bout visitation rights at a hospital then if the patient wants (most of the time) he/she can let just bout anyone in and even if sometimes they cant visit their not gonna get married just for visitation rights also with the 50% divorce rate "till death do you part" that used to mean something now they might as well say "till you get tired of each other" and yes there were some people who ended up hating each other but there werent that many people used to wait to get married till they were sure that that was the person that they would stay with "till death do you part" but now "till death do you part" doesnt mean that anymore so now people dont think about it as much anymore which is also why you have people like Btittany spears who get married and then get a divorce before the next day is over so what i said is that before we give more people the privilege of marriage we should fix the problem we have right now and colonel_bob i did use some punctuation this time... some




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#78 14 years ago

1. Few people choose to be gay. Only an idiot would choose to be gay. It'd be like choosing to be black in the Jim Crow era. Besides, homosexuality can be found in almost every species of mammal. The reason that there are gay humans is that natural selection doesn't apply to humans like it does to other mammals.

2. Estate matters are matter of death. Ever heard of an estate sale? If the person doesn't have a will, the money won't go to their life partner. That's not fair. For insurance matters, you're dead wrong. Ironic. Life insurance won't cover a gay person's life partner right now, which isn't fair. Intensive carewards generally resrict visitation rights to the family. This measn that a gay person's life parner can't see their life partner even at death. That's not fair.

3. The divorce problem can only be fixed when someone figures out how to make two people keep liking each other. The gay marriage problem can be fixed now.




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#79 14 years ago

I think its safe to say that we should all just agree to disagree on this topic and move on because I dont see any opinions changing here :)




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#80 14 years ago

Well, at least no one here is wishy washy...