I'm sure all of you have heard of this "evidence" stuff against Iran, so I felt like ranting about it, because to me thats no evidence.
The US accuses the Iranian government of sponsoring militias in Iraq. They came up with some sort of "evidence" that brings more questions than answers. If the so called evidence proves anything is that Iranian weapons are used in Iraq.
The evidence can be broken down into few points. 1. EFP traced back to Iran by production markings. EFP is used by Hezbolah, and that links EFP to Iran. So right there, the evidence is not solid at all. Second, the IRA also used EFP long ago, so that breaks the whole "evidenc" into pieces. And saying that only Iran can manufacture it is ridiculous. That stuff can be made in one's garage. 2. Different mortar calibre. Well in Iraq, you can find all sorts of mortars, they were there before. Nothing hard to get, and nothing "Iranian" about it.
Well most of the evidence is actually focused on the EFP and its not really evidence. And if it is actually proven that the only country in the world it can come from is Iran, then it proves nothing other than Iranian weapons being used. I'm sure we can find Russian weapons, even Americans. Lets blame the Russians.
So it brings some questions: 1. How exactly is the Iranian government directly involved? 2. If indeed they are involve, why leave obvious traces like marking on the weapons? Surely they can take that off.
Not only the "evidence" is actually BS, but the US was doing exactly what they claim Iran is doing, to the Soviets back in the day. So they get to decide who's good and who's bad and how things should run? The US is just trying to find a scapegoat, nothing else. The pendulum swings both ways.
They said once they get rid of Saddam's regime, things will change. Then it was the elections. Now they blame it on Iran. Whats next?
Do you guys really buy this "evidence" crap?
Are you out to questions just about everything the US government says? Could you even handle it if these accusations proved true?
Is it so hard to believe that the Iranian Government/Military is taking an active role in the Iraqi insurgency?
This is similar to question of Pakistan and the Taliban. Its an open secret that many parts of the Pakistani government still support the Taliban. Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI was the main back of the Taliban's rise to power and had continued links well into the present situation there.
Right, you can't debate so you start attacking me. Did you learn that tactic from your fellow republicans? If its so easy, at least prove it, don't say I believe this and that, and you put it in a packate, tape it together with other rumors and assumptions, and call it "evidence"!
Yeah, I'm sure insurgents are getting their weapons from the IRA...:rolleyes:
WarHawk109;3532654Yeah, I'm sure insurgents are getting their weapons from the IRA...:rolleyes:
That wasn't the point. The design for this kind of weapon was given to Hezbollah by the IRA and they gave it to other terrorists.
Maybe the material is imported via Iran, but the components could come from a number of countries while the plans are probably downloadable from your favourite Jihad-website.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Shouldn't we have learned by now not to trust the Bush admisistration and its intelligence?
That wasn't the point. You don't claim that the only people capable of creating such a thing is the Iranian Republican Guard, when other insurgent elements used it for decades. It goes against all that logic and proves you wrong.
The point is there's nothing Iranian about it, and the insurgents don't need to be special Iranian republican guards to make an EFP.
Sorry you didn't get that point.....
Decebalus;3532643Right, you can't debate so you start attacking me. Did you learn that tactic from your fellow republicans? If its so easy, at least prove it, don't say I believe this and that, and you put it in a packate, tape it together with other rumors and assumptions, and call it "evidence"!
You know, the Bush administation is going to get something right eventually. It is just a matter of time. Octo...man/person is just saying that you're questioning Bush so much that you might miss something. Ok, there's not definitive proof, yet, but those items could be Iranian.
Yes, I know that there's really no proof, and that this evidence doesn't mean anything, but I also heard that the government has other evidence that it hasn't disclosed.
Don't be so critical all the time.
Does it matter? Even if Iran WAS supporting insurgents in Iraq most people would cheer them on.:rolleyes:
If the only peice of evidence were the EFP's then it would be pretty flimsy at best. You could pick those up on many blackmarkets, some of them Iranian, some other places.
But that stacked with "suspected" iranian officials that are supposedly funding the insurgency and it looks much more likely. Depends on whether they're actually guilty or not of course.
However the Iranian government may not be behind it at all, but their military may be. It's not that far fetched for "groups" within the Iranian military to be secretely funding the insurgency, or giving supplies to the militias or what have you.