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Shintsu

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#1 11 years ago

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Isn't that just lovely? They've kept tabs on people and they're going to keep them for 40 years. So if you're suspected of being a potential terrorist are they going to deny you loans or something?




emonkies

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#2 11 years ago

What got me was this

The travelers are not allowed to see or directly challenge these risk assessments, which the government intends to keep on file for 40 years.

That is utter crapola!




Reno

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#3 11 years ago

I see no problem with it. They have to have a way to sort through millions of people and identify potential threats. If they flagged me as a threat, i would me more than happy to let them investigate me and then have me marked off their list. I would consider it part of my civic duty.

As long as its not being abused to make life hard on someone or by being sold to the private sector I don't see a problem with it. Look at it this way, its only going to get worse from here on out. They already have satellites taking pictures of you when your outside. What does it matter if they keep track of who leaves and enters the country. I would be unsettled if they weren't keeping track.




emonkies

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#4 11 years ago

Bob L. Scrachy;3398739I see no problem with it. They have to have a way to sort through millions of people and identify potential threats. If they flagged me as a threat, i would me more than happy to let them investigate me and then have me marked off their list. I would consider it part of my civic duty.

As long as its not being abused to make life hard on someone or by being sold to the private sector I don't see a problem with it. Look at it this way, its only going to get worse from here on out. They already have satellites taking pictures of you when your outside. What does it matter if they keep track of who leaves and enters the country. I would be unsettled if they weren't keeping track.

How much experience do you have with goverment beauacracy?

Once on their list good luck getting off. Also they do not have to notify you or even give you any data to even let you know your on a list. Your not even allowed a hearing to air your grieveances or see thier evidence.

Flagging people as risks I dont have a problem with, its the inability to see the evidence or challenge the data.




Reno

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#5 11 years ago

Anlushac11;3398767How much experience do you have with goverment beauacracy?

Once on their list good luck getting off. Also they do not have to notify you or even give you any data to even let you know your on a list. Your not even allowed a hearing to air your grieveances or see thier evidence.

Flagging people as risks I dont have a problem with, its the inability to see the evidence or challenge the data.

None, but as a US citizen you have the right to a trial by jury, a quick and speedy trial, and to see your accuser and his evidence. They can gather all the evidence they want, but if they don't bring you to trial all it is is evidence.

If they stuff you in jail and you end up staying there for years without trial you can sue. That's what several people did after 911 and if im not mistaken its paying off. The system will eventually get the kinks worked out. A balance between our rights and our security will one day be met, but until it is its just a hazard we'll have to endure. Life isn't fair, and people fall through the cracks. That's the way life is.




DnC

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#6 11 years ago

If you saw someone going through your trash, how would you feel? I would be quite pissed off. What would you do? I'd run out there screaming my head off wielding a large, blunt object. Well that's exactly what the government are doing (the trash thing). And it's because of the fact no one can see them doing it, it makes it seem ok. Them being able to access credit card details, travel details and medical details is exactly the same as them being in your house rummaging through all your paperwork while your not at home. You seem to think there's nothing wrong that? I used to have the "I have nothing to hide" attitude but I then realised that making life difficult for the government is fun.




Rich19

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#7 11 years ago
Bob L. Scrachy;3398775None, but as a US citizen you have the right to a trial by jury, a quick and speedy trial, and to see your accuser and his evidence.

It's a pity they wouldn't provide you with one if you went on the list then, isn't it?




Reno

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#8 11 years ago

DnC;3399163If you saw someone going through your trash, how would you feel? I would be quite pissed off. What would you do? I'd run out there screaming my head off wielding a large, blunt object. Well that's exactly what the government are doing (the trash thing). And it's because of the fact no one can see them doing it, it makes it seem ok. Them being able to access credit card details, travel details and medical details is exactly the same as them being in your house rummaging through all your paperwork while your not at home. You seem to think there's nothing wrong that? I used to have the "I have nothing to hide" attitude but I then realised that making life difficult for the government is fun.[/quote]

Trash is trash, we throw it away and never want to see it again. When you throw something away your giving it to the city. When you give it to the city you relinquish your rights to claim it. Police rummage through trash all the time looking for evidence. There's nothing new about it.

"They" can't access your credit card information, rummage through your home or look through your medical history without a warrant. If "they" do, they can't build a case against you with what they find.

[quote=rich19;3399345]It's a pity they wouldn't provide you with one if you went on the list then, isn't it?

Those are rights given to you by the constitution. "They" can't take them away from you without your consent.




Reno

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#9 11 years ago

DnC;3399163If you saw someone going through your trash, how would you feel? I would be quite pissed off. What would you do? I'd run out there screaming my head off wielding a large, blunt object. Well that's exactly what the government are doing (the trash thing). And it's because of the fact no one can see them doing it, it makes it seem ok. Them being able to access credit card details, travel details and medical details is exactly the same as them being in your house rummaging through all your paperwork while your not at home. You seem to think there's nothing wrong that? I used to have the "I have nothing to hide" attitude but I then realised that making life difficult for the government is fun.[/quote]

Trash is trash, we throw it away and never want to see it again. When you throw something away your giving it to the city. When you give it to the city you relinquish your rights to claim it. Police rummage through trash all the time looking for evidence. There's nothing new about it.

"They" can't access your credit card information, rummage through your home or look through your medical history without a warrant. If "they" do, they can't build a case against you with what they find.

[quote=rich19;3399345]It's a pity they wouldn't provide you with one if you went on the list then, isn't it?

Those are rights given to you by the constitution. "They" can't take them away from you without your consent.




Joe Bonham

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#10 11 years ago

I don't see any problem with it either. It wouldn't be very smart to not monitor the traffic into the counry. Reminds me of that group of imams that boarded a plane, deliberately sat in the same seats the 9/11 hijackers did, and then got angry when they were arrested and escorted off the plane.