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Redlin5

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#11 1 week ago

The court of public opinion is being leveraged against Robert Mueller via Fox News and just general exhaustion about the topic by the public at large.  The less polled support for the existence of the investigation, the more likely the administration will take steps to stop it by any means when they gauge people apathetic enough.  Canadians are hoping credible evidence linking every bit of the current Executive into Russian meddling brings down the hostile protectionists in office.  Probably not soon enough for NAFTA though.

I heard an interesting comment from the Canadian foreign office.  To summarize, they don't recognize the tariffs as a legal move by the United States of America and will challenge it in International court which therefore means they don't recognize it as a credible influence on NAFTA talks.  So the negotiations are going to proceed 'as if this was being conducted by the previous US administration', which takes a dispassionate view of the election cycle and concentrates on trade bargaining.


Essentially, Canadian business interests are more interested in discussing trade with American businesses than with partisan government officials and are attacking the lobby front.  We'll see if those voices in Washington can bend things to a sane conclusion in the end...


We're going to hear a lot more 'Go To Hell Canada' comments before the dust settles, I'm sure.


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#12 1 week ago

Watching from afar, it's amazing to me how quickly all of the soft power the United States had managed to build up over the years can be lost. It's like watching a lottery winner go on a weekend-long bender and losing all of their winnings in one heroin-fuelled go. We're talking about a world in which Angela fucking Merkel is being hailed as the new 'leader of the free world' in some quarters, for fuck's sake.

RANT TIME

Trump's vision of America's future is one of loneliness and isolation, which was fine in the 19th century (actually it wasn't) but not so much in the 21st century. Especially not now. Not when it's like watching the fall of Rome. At this rate, the only way America will be able to get anything done is going to be via military persuasion. And that's fine when it's Grenada again, and probably Canada again, but not so much when it's Germany or the UK again. As much as some Americans might like to think otherwise, the United States can't get shit done by just fighting dudes over and over again. Some dudes can fight back, and NATO in particular doesn't have a clause that excludes fellow members in Article Five.

More than that, your pockets empty automatically when you fight certain dudes. And you need the contents of those pockets to pay for shit.

The sad thing is, they already had one round of this bullshit not all that long ago, yet didn't learn their lesson. It took a while for the damage Bush did to America's soft power to be healed, and that chimp impersonator was nowhere near as destructive as Trump has already been in just a quarter of the amount of time. During the Bush era there wasn't really much competition either - it was either America, or Pisspot South-West. Now, we have a resurgent Russia and a resurgent* China (*seriously, China has been the big dog for most of recorded history - I'm not going to say that they're 'on the rise'), a larger number of more unified regional blocs, and a lower degree of international economic disparity. 

The globe is more global than it's ever been, shitlords, and it's only going to get more so. You need dudes who have your back.

Yet so far, Trump has successfully alienated nearly all of America's closest allies (bar, most notably, Saudi Arabia) and trading partners, proven America to be an unreliable partner in important international agreements, and has demonstrated to the world both the scope of his narcissism and how easily he can be manipulated with flattery by once-mortal enemies. And his enemies have been eager as all consenting sex partners throughout history combined to jump at the chance to manipulate him. Look at what happened in Singapore only a short time ago, for instance. It's hardly the first instance to for, either.

I would trust that Americans are sensible enough to kick him out on his arse the moment they have the chance (what are we, half-way through now? Shit, it feels like four years already). Another four years of Trump will secure America's decline, I feel. It's not good to be alone right now, but that's what America will be after another four years of Trump. Shit, I'm not sure if they'll survive another two at this rate. Whatever short-term gains his supporters think America is making are exactly that. Though, I'm not entirely sure if those gains exist.

What I'm seeing inside America right now has me worried though. It's not like during the Cold War, when Democrats and Republicans, although they disagreed fundamentally, still understood the need to get shit done properly and work together. I've never seen such partisan tomfoolery in any country, anywhere, ever - and someone was fucking murdered over Brexit. What I'm seeing on Internet message boards, YouTube, even your fucking news channels, is nothing short of disturbing. A large number of Americans don't seem to be able to tell what's real anymore, on both sides of the fence.

Is it possible that America can only survive as a country if they have a strong enemy to unite against? That is how the place was founded, I suppose. It's also how it grew across a continent. It's also how it sprang up as a super-power in the first place, and then how it maintained that.

I know Americans. Well, some of them, anyway. Maybe six. I know America. I've always respected America and it's people, even though I'm British and can't express as much biologically. Some of my favourite people, including some of the people I've met here, have been Americans. I know that there's more to the place than just fighting and hating dudes. I know that the popular perception of America is wrong, fundamentally, because I've seen the opposite first-hand.

You idiots need to get rid of Trump. More than that, you need to get rid of the system and culture that gave you Trump in the first place. It's in your people, it's in your corporations, it's in your media, it's in your culture, and it's insidious. It's destroying you. You need to find a way to remove it. I don't give a shit if your constitution prevents you from doing so. The Founding FAthers wouldn't want... whatever the fuck this is.

As a Brit (despite what your history lessons and preachers claim), I think of you as our cousins. Our richer, stronger cousins with hotter girlfriends that I'm jealous of, but despite constantly insulting you I would stand beside you in a bar fight without a second thought. We have done, several times. But we're worried about you. It's like watching an alcoholic relative destroy themselves.

Please stop making us worry about you. It leads to emotive rants on the Internet, and that's painful for us to do.

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Woah. That came out of, like, nowhere, man. 




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#13 1 week ago
Posted by Mr. Matt

You idiots need to get rid of Trump. More than that, you need to get rid of the system and culture that gave you Trump in the first place. It's in your people, it's in your corporations, it's in your media, it's in your culture, and it's insidious. It's destroying you. You need to find a way to remove it. I don't give a shit if your constitution prevents you from doing so. The Founding FAthers wouldn't want... whatever the fuck this is.

 

It's one of the things I've always *hated about American culture.  The incessant hunger and thirst for making money by investing in advertising and branding.  That's Trump's whole life in a nutshell.  Hawk shit that nobody needs and slap your name on it to hopefully increase the value for willing suckers.  The stereotype of marketing agents is an often-correct one: empty suits whose primary aim is to cynically manipulate the masses into indulging in a similarly-empty lifestyle of opulence and possession.  And when opulence isn't achieved, it's blamed on "laziness," but that's ok as long as you can scrounge together money to pay for shit "produced" by "winners" that keeps you distracted from the real issues.

*I do love America, but we need to address and get rid of the threats to what makes it great in the first place.



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#14 1 week ago

One major problem. Trump was elected by the top 1%. In other words, the wealthy have effectively BOUGHT America.


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#15 1 week ago

He may have been "elected," but I guarantee you the top 1% think he's a total moron.  Even Rupert Murdoch considered him a weak-minded fool.  And when Rupert Murdoch looks upon you with derision, you know you dun fucked up.


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#16 1 week ago

How Canada could use the 'Death Star' strategy against U.S. tariffs

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hit their medication supply


This is fighting dirty and I feel like if it were pursued things would snowball in an ugly manner very quickly indeed.


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