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Locomotor

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#1 9 years ago

So, as the title suggests, the US State Department has decided to help fund, train, and equip Somalia's new Islamic "government" (I just put it it quotes because I dunno how long it'll last, unfortunately).

BBC NEWS | Africa | US says weapons sent to Somalia

This has been going on for some time, but I guess not on this scale for a while. *I'll say I'm quite surprised they made it public on their own. That is not the US's historical style* Since the arms embargo in the early 90s (I think), the US has more or less removed itself from the chaos their. Though supposedly the US helped fund groups fighting against the former Islamic Courts Union in 2006 (while many Middle Eastern theocracies backed the ICU), it is now deciding to back this new Islamic government, formed from the ICU in a peace deal, to help it defeat the other increasingly violent guerrilla groups.

Now, Somalia is sitting on a mostly undeveloped or underdeveloped reserve of oil, many billions of barrels potentially, and that is probably the motivation the State Department is acting on (at least I can't think of another. You don't supply arms to dubious people for no good reason). If we can make friends with the new government, and help ensure its survival, the oil is as good as ours (China has already also won a stake in the development there, notably). This is more or less in line with US State Department policy since the end of WW2 (and especially since the Carter Doctrine on Energy Security).

Obviously, or maybe not obviously, my problem here is that merely supplying arms doesn't usually work out very well either for the civilians in the short term or the stability of the country in the long term, which will help neither the people (who deserve help), or the interested industries in America (who don't). Not to mention that the government recently "caved in" and instituted Sharia law, to "appease" the other Islamic extremist groups. Is this the kind of government we want to be backing? It is undoubtedly better than either a power void or an even harder Islamic state in Somalia, as nearly two decades of anarchy there hasn't been exactly healthy.

Tough questions? :deal:

Should the US be backing the Islamic government while condemning other Islamic states like Iran for its abuses of rights? Should we be providing arms and logistical support in a bid to win favor when it will very possibly end in deeper catastrophe? Supposing the US's interests are actually the oil, is it really any way to cut dependence on foreign oil imports? Weigh in or :beer:. Those are your options.




Roaming East

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#2 9 years ago

This'll end well...




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#3 9 years ago

I think the idea is that they'll take out the pirates, too. Anyone wanna take a bet that the US weapons will end up in the hands of terrorists and/or pirates within 2 years of delivery?




Locomotor

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#4 9 years ago

Oh yeah, I forgot about the pirates. I knew I was leaving something out. Strange the Somalia government didn't mention that. Actually it's strange that everything I just read about the arms deal left out mention of combating piracy. Weird. If that is part of the plan, I don't think at least it's a very effective means. But we'll see.

Unfortunately for now I agree with Roaming East's elegantly simple and seemingly sarcastic analysis.




Von Mudra

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#5 9 years ago

Wow....

All I can say is that this is wrong.=/ On many levels.




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#6 9 years ago

I hope some information on why it's a good thing to sent arms and such to them would be a good idea, or the US goverment hasn't (refuses?) to learn from their past and how them supporting certain regimes and supplying them with weapons usually ended...




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#7 9 years ago

Depending on how they do it they're either very bright or very stupid. The plan they should be going for is to give the Islamic group just enough weapons to prolong the conflict for a very long time and then finding another group within the militias they can arm up as its counterpoint.




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#8 9 years ago
Crazy Wolf;4931387I think the idea is that they'll take out the pirates, too. Anyone wanna take a bet that the US weapons will end up in the hands of terrorists and/or pirates within 2 years of delivery?

Pffft...I give it two weeks.




SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#9 9 years ago

Too bad the US isn't sending prosthetic arms to Somalia, they could really use some of those.




Von Mudra

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#10 9 years ago
Anlushac11;4931602Pffft...I give it two weeks.

Its Somalia, I give it a couple hours.