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Flash525

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#1 8 years ago

That would be quite the hypocritical subject; following on from something that was mention in Paul's thread (see: http://forums.filefront.com/pub/431065-earthlings.html).

Herbivores, Omnivores, and Carnivores:

jackripped;5432261Humans do not need meat to survive, that is a fact.

Now, whilst this quote is true, our species are perfectly capable of eating, digesting and living off the meat of other animals. Some would say we've adapted (or evolved) to do so, though that remains irrelevant for the moment. The mere fact is, we can, should we choose it, eat other creatures.

As with Vegetarians though, it has been proven that people don't necessarily need the meat from other animals to live a healthy life. Some people apparently actually live longer by not doing so, though I think that's more habitat based than it is anything else.

Some animals (such as the Lion, Tiger, Shark, Vulture ect) are natural Carnivores. Others such as the Elephant, Zebra, Giraffe, ect are natural Herbivores.

Other animals, such as Bears, Pigs and various Lizards are Omnivores. Pushing on to the actual question though, we're Omnivores, but are we Omnivores by nature? or are we suppose to be one of the other two?

As a sub-question also, what is the likelihood of having a Vegetarian Lion, or a Meat-eating Zebra?




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#2 8 years ago

i can't be much help here, but i do know that the purpose of the appendix was to break down cellulose and help in the digestion of grass. that would imply we were once herbivores? or alternatively, we were always omnivores, and as we became more civilised, we simply embraced this system.




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#3 8 years ago

America, the biggest red meat eaters in the world, also have the largest numbers of bowel cancer in the world, direct cause, red meat. You figure it out. Cancer patience, the very first thing there doctors say is to go onto a vegitarian diet, and thats for any cancer not just bowel cancer, you figure it out. You as a human will be healthier if you dont eat any meat, a balanced diet is far better than meat everyday. Our planet can support more humans if everyone is vegitarian. Our planet will have allot less pollution if we grow crops over the mass production of cattle, pigs, sheep, etc, this industry is responcible for roughly 1/3rd of the pollution, thats up there with burning fossil fuels. Go vege and make a difference !

Why sould other innocent sentient beings die to save me when its not necessary ?

Go here and start to get educated......

A NEW LOOK AT VEGETARIANISM

Then go here.......

Vegetarian Facts

click on more facts at the bottom of that page and it goes into cows etc and greenhouse effect.....

Colon Cancer Diet During Treatment Surgery, combined with post-surgical treatments, will require patience. Your body needs time to get used to the internal changes from the surgery and the often uncomfortable aftereffects of the radiotherapy and chemotherapy.

You might be tempted to stop eating, but that only causes a new problem - malnutrition. Your body loses healthy cells during radiation and chemotherapy and needs good nutrition to repair the cells. It is critical that you maintain balanced nutritional levels throughout your treatments and while your body fights the cancer.

After Surgery Adjusting to eating will be difficult whether you have had a colostomy or just part of your bowel removed. Your doctor will probably initially put you on a liquid no-fiber diet containing necessary nutrients. While in the hospital experiment with foods to see which foods your system can and cannot tolerate and by the time you go home, you should be able to eat fairly normally.Doctors often recommend that you avoid foods that cause your system to work overtime such as:

•Fruits or fruit juice •High fiber vegetables •Whole grain cereals and breads •Onions •Cabbage •Carbonated drinks and beer •Rich or fatty foods As you move onto more solid foods, your doctor may continue to recommend a liquid nutritional supplement to provide a boost to the nutrition you receive. Even if a certain food bothers you at first, you may be able to eat it several months later.

After Radiotherapy As you continue through the radiotherapy treatments you will probably have diarrhea. This could continue for as long as four weeks. Some of this is caused by the low fiber diet that your doctor will put you on. As your digestion starts to settle down, your doctor will have you reintroduce some fruits and vegetables, still keeping you within the colon cancer diet guidelines. This should help minimize, or alleviate, the diarrhea.

We vegetarians are far healthier than you meat eating people, and you guys get all offended about that and usually attack and try to bully or belittle vege's into a corner, but not this vege.......




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#4 8 years ago

Yes, a diet with excessive meat isn't healthy, but it's infeasible to think people will go to a vegetarian diet en masse.

Meat is a great source of fat and protein, things which the human body needs to take in to survive, and with a vegetarian diet, a deficiency of protein is a common problem. more or less their only protein sources are nuts and tofu, and there are people allergic to both soy (which makes tofu) and nuts. that, and tofu isn't to everyone's taste.

What i believe should be done is that a healthy diet should be adopted by more people. i also wouldn't be opposed to abolishing industrial farming. not only is it animal cruelty, but the meat is so much less healthy than free-range meat is, with the animals living in their own filth to such a higher degree, getting no exercise at all, making the meat intensely fatty. abolishing industrial farming would undoubtedly lead to massive price rises, but that would likely encourage a more balanced diet and if more farms were converted to free-range farms, then prices would go down as the supply is greater. free-range meat would be less polluting due to a healthier life. gases like methane produced by cows are waste products. If cows live a healthier life and are less fat, it is likely that in turn, they will produce less waste.

With the amount of growth hormones and god knows what else is put into animals like beef, it's hardly surprising that people contract cancer from too much meat. Also, the key word here is Too Much. people need to learn to eat in moderation. we're all prone to overeating, but exercise is necessary to live a healthy life.

what i really don't get about vegetarians is that half of them eat fish. fish is meat too. if you're going to refuse to eat meat, then you shouldn't be eating fish.




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#5 8 years ago
jackripped;5433158Cancer patience, the very first thing there doctors say is to go onto a vegitarian diet, and thats for any cancer not just bowel cancer, you figure it out.

I know several cancer patients among my friends and family, not one of them has ever said anything like that. They all still eat meat, too.

We vegetarians are far healthier than you meat eating people, and you guys get all offended about that and usually attack and try to bully or belittle vege's into a corner, but not this vege.......

Unfounded accusations, and stereotyping. Nice.




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#6 8 years ago

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha we vegetarians do not have deficiencies in fat and protein because we don't eat meat, l hear this BULLSHIT argument all the time, you need to read more and get educated on the matter, l would put a blood test of mine up against ANY meat eater and see who's deficient in what, and wager my blood is healthier...... People that have deficiencies are not eating a BALANCED diet, period. People who eat meat every day are not eating a BALANCED diet, just get real keyser. What you've said is just another bullshit myth.......meat industry propaganda......

lm a vege and l eat no fish, and theres some facts about that , that people should know as well, Omega 3 in fish is actually useless for the human body, the Omega 3 in plants is the one that benefits the human body, revelation ay.......................

Free range meat is a myth on this scale, go watch the video.




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#7 8 years ago
Mastershroom;5433172I know several cancer patients among my friends and family, not one of them has ever said anything like that. They all still eat meat, too. Unfounded accusations, and stereotyping. Nice.

No its not, it happens to me all the time. Go ask a cancer doctor not your mates. Some education for you.... Vegetarian Diets -- Position of ADA Vegetarian Nutrition Articles on Health Vegan Society Information Sheets - Nutrition and Health Vegetarian Health Veganism and the Issue of Protein Keeping a Healthy Heart Vegetarianism: Eating for Life Vegan Children: Happy and Healthy

If I didn't include enough material in the previous links, there's plenty more where that came from. If I found research, so can you. I believe that health is not the only reason to be vegetarian; the welfare of animals and protection of the environment are also important reasons for me. However, I believe that the health issues which I have presented are worthy of consideration on their own terms, and I have chosen not to labour the other points here. If you've given the evidence a chance, and you're still not convinced of the relative health of a vegetarian lifestyle, I hope you are at least thinking about it. Look up more information on your own if you have doubts. If I could get only one message across to you, I would want it to be that you are responsible for your own health, and if you want positive results you have to make an effort to be informed and act accordingly. You must take your health into your own hands if you want to be sure it is cared for properly.




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#8 8 years ago
jackripped;5433174Baaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha we vegetarians do not have deficiencies in fat and protein because we don't eat meat, l hear this BULLSHIT argument all the time, you need to read more and get educated on the matter, l would put a blood test of mine up against ANY meat eater and see who's deficient in what, and wager my blood is healthier......

I'd also like to see an IQ test, but this isn't about us personally or tests. It's about you, an evangelical vegetarian, against someone who takes a liberal, if health-interested opinion on what should be eaten.

People that have deficiencies are not eating a BALANCED diet, period. People who eat meat every day are not eating a BALANCED diet, just get real keyser.

so a balanced diet can't contain meat? it isn't about what it is you're eating. it's about the content of what you're eating. vegetables are a necessity to a diet, i do't dispute that, but meat can be eaten in a healthy way.

What you've said is just another bullshit myth.......meat industry propaganda......

It's my "Meat Industry" propaganda against your "Vegetarian Industry" Propaganda. Which one is more likely to lie? The one which is accepted by most people, or the one a small minority engage in, which is determined to get more people supporting it?

lm a vege and l eat no fish

Well, at least you're not a hypocritical vegetarian.

Free range meat is a myth on this scale, go watch the video.

i don't watch anti-something videos, they are always intensely biased. you get more truth out of reading. Think about Free range meat on human principles. humans are mammals. It's relative to human biology. If you don't exercise, and live in your own shit, are you healthy? No. If you engage in exercise, and are free to move about, and thus not live in your own shit, you're healthier. Same principle with Organic meat. If a human shoots up with steroids, he is more likely to contract cancer or other serious problems. Organic meat is undoubtedly healthier. Chemicals are highly unlikely to do any good to a meat.




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#9 8 years ago

Really, well read the links l left in the above post before [voicing] myths about it......... the sights l posted are scientifically backed, .....




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#10 8 years ago
Yes, a diet with excessive meat isn't healthy, but it's infeasible to think people will go to a vegetarian diet en masse.

The most important consideration in a diet that excludes meat products is not protein; most plant sources, including many carbohydrates, have an abundance of protein, and the only consideration in this regard is to eat a variety of foods to ensure all the amino acids are present in sufficient quantity. The real concern is with vitamins (especially B-group) and minerals (particularly iron and zinc). The problem is that many of these are present in large quantities only in meats and other products obtained from animals, and without them people start getting into a lot of trouble. Iron is particularly problematic because only in the heme iron form (derived solely from animals) is it well-absorbed. Most vegetable sources of iron are completely inadequate and some foods, like spinach, even inhibit iron absorption. Many of these problems are not present for normal vegetarians - what they miss out on meat they likely get plenty of in dairy products and eggs. The main problem is in vegans, who completely skip all animal products - weakness, loss of coordination, clear thinking, and concentration are common, as are physical decay and atrophy because of the lack of vitamins like folate and cobalamin halt cell division, causing problems with tissue maintenance.