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snabbler

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#1 11 years ago

Heres something interesting I realized lately. When you see this question I expect you will first believe that you could answer it without thinking. Then you will come to discover that it's harder than you might think.

What makes causing pain a less ethical punishment than our modern punishment system?

All countries I can think of at the moment lock people up. They consider torture barbaric but why exactly?




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#2 11 years ago

snabbler;4054211Heres something interesting I realized lately. When you see this question I expect you will first believe that you could answer it without thinking. Then you will come to discover that it's harder than you might think.

What makes causing pain a less ethical punishment than our modern punishment system?

All countries I can think of at the moment lock people up. They consider torture barbaric but why exactly?

I couldn't tell you. I'd rather take a few minutes of excruciating pain then a lifetime of isolation and exclusion.




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#3 11 years ago

Our modern prison system subjects inmates to a form of abuse which although is not physically considered a form of torture, may leave signs of emotional or psychological 'imbalance' or trauma. Torture on the other hand makes definite physical marks, marks that can be compared, contrasted, shown for the world to see.

The damage caused by the prison system may or may not happen, with torture, it will happen, otherwise it is not torture. And on top of this, victims of torture are abused mentally and psychologically as well.

And also, I believe, because torture is more clear-cut. You can compare bruises, burns, broken arms, missing fingernails, toenails, etc. How do you compare mental and/or psychological damage? If someone has become withdrawn due to their treatment in prison, how do you televise that for the public to see it's true effects? If a person becomes withdrawn due to their spell in prison, so what? People will think you just took some guy who was shy off the street, stopped him shaving or taking a shower for a week, and then paraded him in front of a camera.




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#4 11 years ago

It isn't. The prison system exists to a large extent to allow society to hide from the violence it intends towards certain aspects of itself.




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#5 11 years ago

Okay, I can agree with that too. So prison is just there so we can direct our anger towards something?




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#6 11 years ago

We can direct our anger towards things without a prison system. Prison is there so that we can do these things without thinking of ourselves in the same terms as those we choose to attack. Instead of harm it becomes rehabilitation, a different label so that we can have a different meaning to it while retaining the essential aspects of the original.




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#7 11 years ago

So rehabilitation is really a euphemism for 'getting your just desserts'?




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#8 11 years ago

To various degrees. It's not the only function prison performs but it's a large one. Society has to tell people where the line is by being rather violent towards those who cross that line but at the same time it needs to stop you identifying too closely with the person that it's being violent towards since the entire point is to draw a line between that person and the rest of society.




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#9 11 years ago

Mild Violence is fine in my book




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#10 11 years ago

If you kill someone in self-defense, but still go to prison, the punishment naturally should be less than that of a serial killer




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