Violence and the emergency response services 27 replies

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#1 8 years ago

A simply question, well two actually. I'm sure that the Netherlands isn't the only place were a crime against a emergency response services member (cop, ambulance medic, firefighter, ...) may be more heavily punished. The argument for this is that those people are doing there job (serving and protecting others) and that harming them is even more unacceptable (bad) then a crime commited against a civilian. The argument against it (atleast with cops) is that they signed up for the job, are aware of the risk and should be able to deal with violence and crime more easily then your avarage citizen.

Ofcourse, these people don't always get to deal with crime or violence, from time to time they themselves may be guilty of a criminal act: theft, corruption, violence, abuse of power, you name it.

So, how should the law and/or justice department deal with these things in your opinion?

PS: Feel free to extend it to other areas such as any other authority or position and why they should be given lower/equal/higher punishment.




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#2 8 years ago

Well if you attack a police officer that means your attacking the government, or any federal workers, it means you hate the society or government, if your killing a civilian it means for personal reasons like this person cheated on you or other personal reasons.




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#3 8 years ago

That's the way it should be.

Kill a cop, jail for life.

Simple.




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#4 8 years ago

I think it makes sense to give higher punishments for those who attack state's civil servants (police officers, teachers), firefighters and doctors/nurses because: 1.) These professions are essential to citizens and society in general 2.) These professions are unselfish in a sense 3.) Each profession has special consideration: police officers, firefighters and doctors/nurses save lives, even risking their own in the process and teachers are the ones who basicly in part raise and teach us everything we knowng Discouraging certain people from attacking these professionals is imperative due to work professionals are doing.




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#5 8 years ago

I'm inclined to agree with utilitarian intuitions in this case. Emergency services have a great positive influence on society - attacking them causes more harm to that society than attacking some random civilian - therefore you should be punished more.

The fact that the policeman was aware of the danger makes no difference as far as I'm concerned. You also knew the danger when you attacked him.

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#6 8 years ago

EO Violation;5240738That's the way it should be.

Kill a cop, jail for life.

Simple.

TBH I think anyone guilty of 2nd or 1st degree murder should go to jail for life. Parole for 2nd degree, but not 1st. No if, ands or buts.




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#7 8 years ago
Nemmerle;5240751I'm inclined to agree with utilitarian intuitions in this case. Emergency services have a great positive influence on society.

This is true, many modern terror tactics are designed to set off a second blast, to hit what ever responds to the situation.




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#8 8 years ago

I think, especially in the case of attacking, harming or preventing emergency responders (police, firefighter, paramedics) from doing their job you should be punished much more severely than your average citizen. When you attack or harm the average citizen you are doing just that, harming one citizen. However, when you attack or harm an emergency responder you are preventing them from doing their job, which could lead to the deaths of many citizens.


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#9 8 years ago
EO Violation;5240738That's the way it should be. Kill a cop, jail for life. Simple.

Oh? But what about the context of the crime? What if the cop is an asshole on a power trip and starts beating on random civilians. If a police officer starts beating on me for no apperant reason, will not stop even if I show signs of surrender, I will defend myself. What about that cop a couple years ago who threatened to arrest a girl if she didn't fuck him? People have killed cops before and not gone to jail because of the context. Officers even have a system in place for this. Did the cop announce himself? Was he in uniform? Ect. It all depends on what was going on prior to and durning the crime.


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#10 8 years ago
Dragonelf68;5240963Oh? But what about the context of the crime? What if the cop is an asshole on a power trip and starts beating on random civilians. If a police officer starts beating on me for no apperant reason, will not stop even if I show signs of surrender, I will defend myself. What about that cop a couple years ago who threatened to arrest a girl if she didn't fuck him? People have killed cops before and not gone to jail because of the context. Officers even have a system in place for this. Did the cop announce himself? Was he in uniform? Ect. It all depends on what was going on prior to and durning the crime.

Sorry, but I've never seen that happen, so I can't say what I'd do.

If I saw a throwing the beat down on civilians, I'd call 911 and report it as a crime. If he was off duty and acting as you describe, I believe the law allows for self defense. Though I can't be sure.