Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Telling everyone you lied isn't the brightest idea but he's probably made a fair bit of money out of it.
I agree that Democracy in Iraq is a good thing, but the cost was too high and the way the White House handled the war looked like a Clown show at the Barnum Bailey Circus.
The US should have never locked out other Countries from bidding on repair contracts.
I think the last thing that ever goes through this guys mind will be a 7.62mm round.
Crazy Wolf;5469773I'd say democracy is worth war. I don't think the Iraq war was handled well, and think it would have been best to take care of the problem in 1991, with international support and a higher percentage of locals willing to trust the USA and fight Saddam.[/QUOTE]
Forced democracy is an oxymoron. We'll bring freedom to the Iraqis, even if it kills them.Nemmerle;5469776Worth it to who? I don't recall hearing shit about the poor Iraqies when the war was being discussed before we went - that came afterwards.
We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
That's the beauty of a petty, short sighted voter population with a short memory. You can run a whole new line of bullshit that completely contradicts what you were saying yesterday and they'll buy it.I certainly don't think we should be sending our armies, and more importantly money, abroad to get democracy for a bunch of people we've never met who will eventually try to compete with us. Just making a rod for our own backs.
So money is more important than the lives of our soldiers? If we sent money instead of troops I would actually not have too much of a problem with that.
[QUOTE=Roaming East;5469887]Chalabi, Cheney and the CIA were the causes of the war. This guy was just support.
He is an exile. Exiles are notoriously unreliable - they have ulterior motives. They'll just tell you what you want to hear to entice you into invading their country. This could be for a number of reasons.
-He wants to return home and regain power
-Or he just wants payback against the regime that forced him to flee.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Joe Bonham;5469965So money is more important than the lives of our soldiers? If we sent money instead of troops I would actually not have too much of a problem with that.
That's a very American attitude. Even a few years back soldiers were being advised not to wear their uniforms off base in this country because we tend to view them as an enemy. They're not our soldiers. They're the government's soldiers; people who have pledged, at the whim of the ruling party, to go to a certain place and kill, or support killing, according to a certain criteria until they are told to stop.
When that killing is in accordance with what is just and right, their deaths are a sad thing. When, as now, those killing are in accordance with the interests of companies and the corrupt, they are just precise murderers, and their deaths are no more tragic than any other thug getting what was coming to them.
Money is more important than the live of our troops when our troops allow themselves to be used in offensive wars.
I'll allow that, in truth, I've no problem with our troops being used immorally. However, once you accepted that standard of morality you don't care much about life in general anymore. Including the lives of 'our' troops.
There are many pragmatic arguments you can forward for valuing the lives of our troops. But they ultimately secure against personal concerns, like money.
So fuck the troops, if they were stupid or evil enough to sign up to get shot at for a small wage in an offensive war then that's entirely their lookout.
A country is "democratic" as long as it's pro-American. I mean, Batista, Pinochet, ... they were all democracies, weren't they ?
^America didn't invent democracy, despite what some may have told you. So no, you can be anti-American and be democratic.=p
Schofield;5470150^America didn't invent democracy, despite what some may have told you. So no, you can be anti-American and be democratic.=p
Think he means it in terms of how American foreign policy works. The USA only have a problem with a nation being a dictatorship if it opposes the USA. Look at the Islamic world: Most Islamic countries are dictatorships, yet the only ones the USA has that big a problem with are Iran, Syria and Libya (and international terror organisations). Never mind the abhorrent state of human rights in Saudi Arabia, where women aren't allowed outside alone. They co-operate with the USA, so it's all good. Iran don't, and the USA's opposition isn't for reasons of democracy or human rights, their upholding of saudi arabia confirms they couldn't give a shit about human rights. The USA essentially sees Iran as an unpenetrated market. A pro-American leader would give the USA power to dominate their consumer market, and even their industry. A particularly good case study of this is Batista.
The lifestyle they had worked for the primitive culture they had, I think. Its not the duty of America to go around bringing democracy to people. They should do it themselves like Egypt is doing and other countries are beginning to do. If the people are trying but the government is slaughtering them, then the US should help out.