7th December 2003
You probably heard about the activist ship Ady Gil that was rammed by a Japanese whaler a few days ago and seen the various youtube videos.
The legal aspects of navigation and whale hunting aside, what do you think about the actions of both parties? The Ady Gil apparently harassed the whaler for several hours and performed some dangerous manoeuvres - is that justified considering the arguments against whaling (animal cruelty, whales are an endangered species, whales may be intelligent, killing whales harm whale-watching industry)?
And what about the Japanese, are they justified in hunting whales and defending their business, even if it means risking the deaths of protesters?
The protesters know the risks they are taking.
The whalers are wrong in killing whales and dolphins.
Neither group is in the right here. Whaling is wrong, but attacking ships at sea is not the right way to prove it.
I have to give credit to both the Japanese and the protesters. The Protesters are at least standing for what they believe in, even if I think they are a little off their rocker. On the other hand the Japanese have generally shown quite a bit of restraint when dealing with the protesters, for the most part.
Generally speaking I don't see whale hunting as wrong, so long as the whales aren't being over-hunted (which I don't know much about, to be honest. And them being an endangered species doesn't mean much really.) The protestors are definitily pushing the boundaries for what is safe and legal, but more power to them really. I wish more people would defend something for once, whatever that may be.
To summarize, I don't know how I feel. I don't think either side is doing anything particularly wrong.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
I'd say the whalers, by violating the international agreement that their country has signed, are being dicks and need to face penalties. If the protesters haven't engaged in piracy, I'm pretty sure legally and ethically they win this one. Harassing someone committing unlawful acts is not as bad as actually violating international law.
As for hunting in general: if the population can support it, I'm fine with it, although I think whales should be studied more as they prove that they can communicate and suggest they can make decisions (compare the amount of whaling ships that were rammed by whales in the past to how many ships nowadays are rammed by whales). I do not believe that current whale populations can support hunting.
I'm usually against the whalers, but it's obvious that the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (the group that whale wars focuses on) does a lot of publicity stunts in order to continue bringing attention to the issue. They had even at one point at two of their members taken by a Japanese whaling boat in order to force a diplomatic screw up between Japan and Australia.
For these kinds of group, media exploitation is key to their movement. By continuing to do things that seem outrageous, they continue to get the media to focus attention on them, even if it's in a negative way. People who focus on them unknowingly do give them more clout in popular awareness.
The Japanese are only able to continue whaling with out international condemnation because they exploit an international law that states whales are only allowed to be killed for scientific purposes. And the Japanese Government has always felt that they've been above the law, in the modern age and before. All other nations have willingly abandoned whaling, so many of their populace are pissed that Japan blatantly ignores such things.
And this is largely why while the governments around the pacific rim do not act against the SSCS, because they would all like Japan to be bothered by a nuisance and wreck their smug attitude.
With this, I'm not really sure what the Japanese whalers can expect. They have more or less invited this sort of activity upon themselves.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Commissar MercZ;5207603...The Japanese are only able to continue whaling with out international condemnation because they exploit an international law that states whales are only allowed to be killed for scientific purposes. And the Japanese Government has always felt that they've been above the law, in the modern age and before. All other nations have willingly abandoned whaling, so many of their populace are pissed that Japan blatantly ignores such things...
There's actually a decent piece of freeware called "Harpooned" where you take the role of a Japanese "research" vessel, trying to discover why whales move away from the sound of your boat engines, why whale numbers are decreasing in the area, etc. Of course, the best "research" is an autopsy, and hey, it'd be a shame for all that meat to go to waste, right?
Its a joke, we Australians arrest ,confiscate and sell Indoneasian fishing boats when we catch them in our waters.... We let the japoneese do it....... Rud the dud. Our govenment is useless.Full of wind. At the very least our govenment should have sent a frigate to arrest EVERYONE at the scene and question them all, bang no whale hunting for immediate future, but nooooo, to stupid to even use the one power of law we had, RUD THE DUD..... l think its a discrace, the security vessel clearly has the manouverability to avoid this crash, it was on purpose, yes the protestors were drifting into there path, thats there tactic, they have done it for years, they had right of way, according to maratime law, on top of that distress signals were ignored, the captains must surely face charges over that. Australia gets might pissed off about the local family man Indoneasian stealing the odd fish, yet the rich pricks of japan can do as they please, things like this turn people racist end up hating eachother. Me l'd be happy to never see another jap tourist again. Idiots come here to WHALE WATCH FFS ! The fact is, that the Japoneese govenment thinks the whole world is stupid, they believe they have scientific reasons for whale slaughter and that they can use this excuse for ever, knowing its false, taking the piss out of the whole world, not just australia. Are you stupid enough to believe them ? The whole world should be with the protestors here, regardless of the tactics used to stop these whalers, how many protest vessels are to be sunk before people make a stand ? We have lost 3 big ships already, people have already died defending whales, maybe Australia should confiscate there vessels and sell them, for being in Australias waters , recon the japs would be back next year ?
To be honest, if I were being harassed by a little boat and I knew my big ol' frigate wasn't gonna get damaged, I'd ram them too. Or more accurately I'd go straight and let them get rammed if they want to.
There's actually very little the governments can do about this scenario, because of the clause the IWC has regarding it. In most cases the Japanese have been able to use the law to their advantage. International law is very tricky and though it's obvious the Japanese "research" groups are doing blatant whaling the Japanese simply have too much clout in pacific trade. The only time the Australian government could have actively pushed the Japanese was when the whaling fleet went into a portion of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary which was on Australian waters, which they did and the whaling fleet didn't come to that corner any longer.
This being said they're trying to find alternative ways to put the pressure on the Japanese, for example this video they released which got the Japanese government very angry and demanded the Australian government "punish" the fisheries/customs patrol officials who took the video.
And the other thing to is that the Australians let the boats dock at their ports. Technically the Japanese have a way to classify these groups as terrorists or pirates, and this obligates nations to confiscate these boats on site. The sea shepards and other groups pretty much live on Australian docks when the Japanese whaling fleet starts its season and they're allowed to continue doing their activity.
Ahh , but thats you, and thats not what happened. Its only LAW that stops boats ramming eachother at high sea, so ramming and then saying, my boat was bigger so l ram them, is just foolish, you sir would be charged and loose your maratime licience. And if you killed someone when ramming you could end up in jail too.
l will ask you a pretty basic question.
If civilian protestors blocked the road out of the army base to stop tanks going to a port to be shipped of for war, and your people/civilians protested at the driveway, on your public roads, would you allow your tanks to crush there cars and kill them.
This is whats happened here, ie, cars = boats .
Was it correct to run over the students head in Teennimensquare [forgive spelling ] in china ?
Should protestors pay with there lives for defending OUR nature when there is really no need and it can be avoided ?
Yea they [protestors ] could have avoided it, thats not there job, its the ships error. The protestors were there to slow or stop the ships, they used the LAW to do it, they were totally unarmed, after the ramming the japs still tryed to hose them off the deck, how dangerous is that, WHILE THE DISTRESS BEACON WAS IGNORED.
charge em charge em charge em !