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Flash525

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#1 8 years ago

More of an ask and answer thread, figured it would be interesting to give people the opportunity to ask a question, that someone else can answer. Obviously we'd need to stick to the specifics (see thread title), but yeah, I'll start:

Following on from a discussion at work, which came first. Christmas, or New Year? Just to clarify, I'm not asking which one 'is' first, but which one 'was' first.




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#2 8 years ago

New year because we were doing yearly cycles before Jesus was born




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#3 8 years ago
Wh[x] came first?

I came first (d'oh) and hard, too.

Kidding aside, I believe new year was first. That's my guess anyway. Time never ended, so why should they have started only recently and/or after Christmas?


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#4 8 years ago

[COLOR=orange]No question? Very well, I will supply one.[/COLOR] [COLOR=orange] [/COLOR] [COLOR=orange]At the dawn of human speech, which came first: personal names, or rank titles?[/COLOR]


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#5 8 years ago

In regards to the New Year thing, cultures with calendars have always had a 'new year' concept. Christ was just a twinkle in god's eye for a long time. Of course, I'm sure the traditions associated with the West's concept of new year were created much later.

As for the names thing, names presumably came long before titles. Recognising the alpha male of a group is instinctual, a title wouldn't have been needed until politics came into play. As soon as any form of language emerged, being able to distinguish individuals from one another would have been a requirement for most conversations.

As for my question, I did think of suggesting the chicken or the egg, but from a scientific point of view it would always be the chicken.

So... how about, which came first, boats (I obviously don't mean elaborate sailing ships) or the wheel?




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#6 8 years ago

[COLOR=orange]The wheel, however, would require advanced thinking that proto-humans likely would not have possessed yet. With that in mind, boats would likely have been first. The earliest boats would likely have simply been fallen trees. Once proto-humans discovered that fallen trees could float, it was only a matter of time before they gathered the tribe to push the tree into the water. Climbing atop the tree, someone could freely float down the river.[/COLOR] [COLOR=orange] [/COLOR] [COLOR=orange] [/COLOR] [COLOR=orange]What came first: fresh water, or salt water?[/COLOR]


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#7 8 years ago

Going off memory so please forgive errors.

The original celebration of Jesus Christ was around Jan 6th on the Gregorian calendar.

Sometime early on the Catholic Church decides to move the celebration for the birthday to December 25th to coincide with the Pagan festival of Yule, or Yuletide to try and draw Pagans away from their festivals and into Christian worship.

This is one of the conflict points between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church which still celebrates Christ's birth on about Jan 6th.

Little more than 2,000 years later many persons, including Catholics go to midnight mass

and come home and throw a Yuletide log on the fire and put up Mistletoe and decorate and put presents under a Christmas tree, all from the original Pagan Yule celebration.




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#8 8 years ago

in the orthodox faith Jesus was born on the 7th of January not December 25th, this is because the orthodox go by the roman calendar, which apparently is the more accurate date of Jesus's birth, now to answer which one was celebrated first? I would answer Christmas was more likely a larger wide spread event then new years celebration has been until recent history.




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#9 8 years ago

What came first; an apple pie from scratch, or the universe?

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#10 8 years ago

Zamamee;5408775What came first; an apple pie from scratch, or the universe?

Rep for anyone who gets the reference...and the correct answer of course :)

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