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#21 10 years ago

The problem with Catholicism is that it fails to change with the culture it supports. It is a religion tailored to a 2000-year-old world and it does its worshippers a disservice by refusing to modernize. This is why so many Catholics convert to similar protestant denominations, which take the best parts of the Catholic faith and adapt them to today's world.

camping!Disturbing patterns show that a few years, perhaps a couple decades down the line, most European nations will be suffering from uncontrollable problems.[/quote]How unsurprisingly vague.

[quote=camping!]Penguin, Catholics do not believe in violence or persecution.

Are you saying Catholics don't persecute homosexuals or Protestants? Because I'm pretty certain you just said Protestants were inferior.




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#22 10 years ago

Benzin;4738715Reason I am against Catholicism as a denomination of Christianity. Let's have an example. John and Sarah are a happily married catholic couple and like all couples they enjoy a bit of hanky-panky. One day Sarah found out she was pregnant but this was not intended however she had no choice as Catholics do not allow the use of artificial contraception or having sex for any other reason besides pro-creation (i.e. no pulling out). Some time later she learns that here unborn baby has a growth defect and that continuing the pregnancy will cause both Her and the child to die, she wants to have an abortion, but being Catholics they are strictly opposed to abortion.

Sarah and the unborn baby die because of being forbidden to abort the pregnancy, a pregnancy caused by John being forbidden to use contraception.

That's definitely the right way to believe.

The Catholic Church teaches, and this is in the Catechism, that in the case of the unborn mothers life being in danger, all efforts must be made to save the mother and unborn child. If as a result of saving the mother, the child is killed with the intention of saving it, it is no more murder or abortion than when someone gets into a car crash and still dies even after all efforts are made to save this person.

So your example is not accurate.




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#23 10 years ago
camping!;4738720 If as a result of saving the mother, the child is killed with the intention of saving it, it is no more murder or abortion

Haha, so what you're saying is that if a child just happens to get aborted in a hospital while trying to save the mother, god can be fooled into thinking it's ok?




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#24 10 years ago
camping!If as a result of saving the mother, the child is killed with the intention of saving it, it is no more murder or abortion than when someone gets into a car crash and still dies even after all efforts are made to save this person.

No, purposeful termination of an unborn child is abortion by definition. It's not suddenly not abortion just because you decided it's not.




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#25 10 years ago

Inyri Forge;4738719The problem with Catholicism is that it fails to change with the culture it supports. It is a religion tailored to a 2000-year-old world and it does its worshippers a disservice by refusing to modernize. This is why so many Catholics convert to similar protestant denominations, which take the best parts of the Catholic faith and adapt them to today's world.

How unsurprisingly vague.

Declining birth rates among native Europeans, increased age of retiree's, social benefits failing as a result of not being able to afford them, etc.

Yes, those are problems for many people in this modern day world. Catholicism, as I've said previously, is extremely counter-cultural. Jesus never said it would be easy, that people would laugh and mock us. So yes, people who cannot cope with how rigid the Catholic faith is will force God to conform to their views, instead of them conforming to God's views.




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#26 10 years ago
Metall_pingwin;4738722Haha, so what you're saying is that if a child just happens to get aborted in a hospital, god can be fooled into thinking it's ok?

If every intention was made to save it's life, it is not abortion. This is official Church teaching, so I could care less how much semantics you and Inyri try to play here. We are explicitly taught that every attempt should be made to save both lives. It is the intention that matters here.

If the doctors pull the baby out of the mothers womb in an effort to save the mother, and simply disregard the babies life, this is murder. This is abortion. If the doctors take the baby out of the womb in order to save the mothers life, then feed, nurture, hook the baby up to life support, and do everything humanly possible to save the unborn child's life, then this is not murder. Anyone could see the simple difference here.




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#27 10 years ago
Declining birth rates among native Europeans, increased age of retiree's, social benefits failing as a result of not being able to afford them, etc.

This describes the United States, as well, as well as most non-third-world countries. Trust me, declining birth rates is not a bad thing, given the overcrowded nature of this planet.

Catholicism, as I've said previously, is extremely counter-cultural. Jesus never said it would be easy, that people would laugh and mock us.

Jesus never said anything about the Catholic church because it did not exist in his life time.




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#28 10 years ago
camping!;4738724 Jesus never said it would be easy, that people would laugh and mock us. So yes, people who cannot cope with how rigid the Catholic faith is will force God to conform to their views, instead of them conforming to God's views.

You're mixing the ideas of a personal god, and a deity to form one, incoherent belief. You call yourself Catholic, yet either clearly accept the idea of a personal god, or are calling every protestant believer a heretic.




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#29 10 years ago
camping!;4738716Disturbing patterns show that a few years, perhaps a couple decades down the line, most European nations will be suffering from uncontrollable problems.

European countries have had persistently lower levels of religiosity than America for a number of years and persistently lower serious crime rates. The two are not inverse correlates as you are trying to support with your hand waving mystical nonsense about 'disturbing' patterns. Woo I feel a disturbance in the force. :vikki:

An aging population is not even a purely European problem, and occurs among developed countries with higher levels of religiosity as well as lower ones. It's a correlate of increased wealth and general levels of health and medical care, not of religion, so you can't use that here either.




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#30 10 years ago

Inyri Forge;4738728This describes the United States, as well, as well as most non-third-world countries. Trust me, declining birth rates is not a bad thing, given the overcrowded nature of this planet.

Jesus never said anything about the Catholic church because it did not exist in his life time.

Jesus established the Universal Church through his teachings, and passed it on through a hierarchy, the first successor being Peter our first Pope. Catholic means just that, Universal.