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Dan2004

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#1 13 years ago

There's been alot of debate on what caliber rifle bullet the military should use as a possible replacement for the 5.56x45mm SS109 because of inadequate "man stopping" capability. Personally, I think that we should go back to the 7.62x51mm cartridge, but that's just mine and probably a thousand other's opinion. Some say we should use the 6.8mm SPC, or the 6.5mm Grendel, or even the russian 7.62x39 as well as a myriad of others. Anyone got anything to offer on this?




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#2 13 years ago

7.62x51mm




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#3 13 years ago

7.62mm is quite heavy compared to 5.56mm, and 6.8mm SPC is just about as heavy as 7.62mm. There's a good article here that explains it well.

"Man Stoppage" doesnt really matter so much as to what kind of ammo you use, but as to where you shoot the man. Sure the 6.8mm has a little more stopping power, but at a cost of carrying a lot less ammo.




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#4 13 years ago

What you really want if you're aiming to put someone down with one shot is to use a tumbler round. A Police marksman over here, (in England,) with a .38 special revolver, was ordered to stop a prize bull that had broken loose and injured several people. Being a valuable animal he shot it in the leg... The bullet hit the bone in the leg, tumbled up the leg, into the Chest, punctured a lung, burst the heart and exited through the opposite shoulder. Do you really need anymore "man stopping" than that?




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#5 13 years ago

I suggest the 5.56. It's light, cheap, and we aren't facing soldiers with bulletproof vests on the battlefiled. The 5.56 is easier to carry, you can carry more of it, and it's just as lethal as the 7.62. I don't seen why everybody complains about the 5.56.




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#6 13 years ago

We need 20mm self-laser-guided explosive rounds.




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#7 13 years ago
moofI suggest the 5.56. It's light, cheap, and we aren't facing soldiers with bulletproof vests on the battlefiled. The 5.56 is easier to carry, you can carry more of it, and it's just as lethal as the 7.62. I don't seen why everybody complains about the 5.56.

We are fighting people right now without bullet-resistant vests. Ok, thats cool, the whole army will change to 5.56. Then what happens if we have to face a more modern force with bullet resistant vests and so on? Then we are screwed.




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#8 13 years ago

[QUOTE="Man Stoppage" doesnt really matter so much as to what kind of ammo you use, but as to where you shoot the man. Sure the 6.8mm has a little more stopping power, but at a cost of carrying a lot less ammo.[/QUOTE] I was refering to the 1993 firefight in Mogadishu, Somalia and recent actions in Afganistan, where, servicemembers reported sometimes firing anywhere from 3 to 5 rounds of M855 5.56mm FMJ rounds from their M16A4s and M4A1s into a hostiles that were often unfazed when the projectiles "zipped" through them. Though tese reports mostly pertain to those using the M4 assault rifle, whose shorter barrel length of 14.5 inches, as opposed to the M16 with its 20 inch barrel, did not produce sufficient muzzle velocity for the ball round to empart its fragmenting effect upon collision with soft tissue.




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#9 13 years ago
AeroFlotWe are fighting people right now without bullet-resistant vests. Ok, thats cool, the whole army will change to 5.56. Then what happens if we have to face a more modern force with bullet resistant vests and so on? Then we are screwed.

Use AP bullets, Russia has AP pistol rounds, quite cool. Other than that, aim for the head or limbs. 7.62mm and 6.8mm can be stopped too by vests, and bullet-resistant vests are constantly improving, so safety cant always be assured. For now, not many countries [other than Western armies] deploy bullet-resistant vests [expensive] and since America and other Western militaries havent gone to war with eachother or anytime soon, I think we're still good.




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#10 13 years ago

Just use THV 5.56 rounds if you're worried about the AP capability of the round.