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#1 10 years ago

I would love it if America adopted a hybrid system of socialized and privatized health (even though that is merely a pipe dream). This nation is supposed to be about freedom and choice. And with the current system, we have no choice. We are stuck with private insurance companies and with that in mind, fucks over my future as well.

My life plan is to get a part time job and make money with music on the side to make ends meet. I don't need to be a rock star, however just something to get my music out there. Considering that most corporations and employers do not provide health insurance to part time employees, what am I supposed to do? I will have to either pay for insurance by itself (which is ridiculously expensive) or risk it without insurance. Just hope I don't break a leg or chip a tooth. Bankruptcy here I come! :rofl:




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#2 10 years ago

The UK system - universal healthcare for all, and the private option if you can afford it. I really don't like the sound of private healthcare - something about being cared by people who get paid thousands for every surgical procedure, necessary or not.




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#3 10 years ago

I'm not sure what to vote. I favour universal healthcare for obvious fairness and costs reasons (burdens beinbg shared equally, none profit and so on). But having universal healthcare wouldn't mean nobody would be allowed to sign up for private healthcare.

Being insured for healthcare is mandatory overhere but sadly they privatized it a whole lot recently (with the goverment setting some requirements for the price range of the "basic insurance package" and what's covered by it. A few years back when the healthcare system was more universal things were better.

Stupid liberal influence and their desire to privatise everything. :(




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#4 10 years ago

Private. At least the doctors will treat me right away and not suck like..."some"...countries. Then again, there's bad apples here too, but I've never had one unsatisfying experience.




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#5 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4592459Private. At least the doctors will treat me right away and not suck like..."some"...countries. Then again, there's bad apples here too, but I've never had one unsatisfying experience.

:lol: Universal healthcare doesn't have to mean that there will be long waiting times...

Perhaps you could bring up some financial reasons why you think universal healthcare would be a bad thing? Or some statistics that prove that universal healthcare garantees that people have to wait endlessly (no, a single article to some poor sod who had to wait half a year won't do).

Hell, if anything one should be happy that more people would make use of the healthcare system since this would show more people who were need of medical assistance got that assistance.

Perhaps the fact that the USA seems to be the only western country without universal healthcare should say something? If it would suck so badly how would this explain universal healthcare systems are around in succesfull nations?




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#6 10 years ago

I would, optimistically, like to see some sort of mix between public and private, so as to give a choice to those who would rather take their affairs to a private hospital. I can't see this happening in the near future though.

As things stand right now, if Universal Healthcare was to be implemented in the US in one form or another, it is going to take awhile to create that change in a place with the population spread and size of the US.

Then there's the issue with taxes and having to find which areas should the government reduce spending in areas that are already being overspent on (I'm not going to mention specifics so as to avoid going off topic) so as to do better spending on healthcare. To most Americans, this would mean a spike in taxes, and big bad government getting in your business, socialism, and so on, which is why it hasn't gone over too well with Americans.

Really, another facet of fear the Americans have is that they see certain parts of the population abuse welfare and the medicaid program to get free care, and they think if they go up to Universal Healthcare that the same crowd would still abuse it.

I am fortunate that my father has a decent medical insurance plan with his work, and as such I get good healthcare. Anyone who has to work for themselves, say a musician, working some oddjobs, or a job that doesn't give benefits means you'll have to go and get an insurance policy, which tend to vary depending on how much they'll cost and what they'll actually provide (and which treatments and medication can you actually get), or go uninsured. I have distant relatives less fortunate than my family who have to struggle with their kids, especially if they are susceptible to illness, asthma or diabetes issues, and the treatments for these can really hurt them.

I have relatives who live in Europe, chiefly in the UK, Germany, Austria, and Sweden, who while they do admit issues with the paperwork, lines at times, lines with transplants (to be fair, this happens anywhere), and other things, I haven't seen one ever say they would prefer the system that the US currently has.

I can say one thing though- I'm just glad I don't have to make the call on these things :D




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#7 10 years ago
Admiral Donutz;4592487:lol: Universal healthcare doesn't have to mean that there will be long waiting times...

Or it means that it works so well that there is bound to be waiting lines. 45 million Americans don't have health insurance so that should clue Penguin in as to why we don't have lines. There are the haves and the have nots. We simply have a lot of have nots...




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#8 10 years ago

I am in favor of a private system. To date is had given me excellent service. When I wrecked my bike(look in GD) I gathered about $2000 in medical costs when it was all said and done. Thanks to my medical insurance I only had to pay $40 for 2 doctor appointments.

Looking at the current situation in the US, a totally private system cannot work unless insurance companies want to loose money on low income individuals. A hybrid system could work well. The government would provide everyone with bare bones insurance for medical emergencies. People who have the money, could buy better health insurance, and they will get refunded by the government since they are no longer using the government health care.

I think universal health care would cost the country too much money, and it would not be that great to doctors who incur hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt while in school. As medical technology gets better, the cost will come down. At some point a universal system would make sense economically.

My life plan is to get a part time job and make money with music on the side to make ends meet. I don't need to be a rock star, however just something to get my music out there. Considering that most corporations and employers do not provide health insurance to part time employees, what am I supposed to do? I will have to either pay for insurance by itself (which is ridiculously expensive) or risk it without insurance. Just hope I don't break a leg or chip a tooth. Bankruptcy here I come! _ROFL.gif

Forget playing "real music" just go and become a rapper or one of those hip-hop people. Make a few crappy songs, and you will be set for life.




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#9 10 years ago
Pethegreat;4592546 Forget playing "real music" just go and become a rapper or one of those hip-hop people. Make a few crappy songs, and you will be set for life.

Thousands of rappers shit out the same beats you hear on the radio and don't go anywhere. It has everything to do with image, networking, and the corporate exploitation of musicians. It's a business and creativity is just a teeny part of the whole scheme of things.

My complexion is too pallid to be a rapper. Maybe the lead singer for fall out boy or some crap ass emo band. That would be more realistic...




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#10 10 years ago
Jeffro;4592544Or it means that it works so well that there is bound to be waiting lines. 45 million Americans don't have health insurance so that should clue Penguin in as to why we don't have lines. There are the haves and the have nots. We simply have a lot of have nots...

True (I removed a line like that just before submitting my post). A wider access could mean longer waiting times due to higher demand but it would be more fair since everybody would be able to seek medical assistance. But such waiting lines could also be solved when the extend of some request is known and medical support (facilities) open up according to demand. The point still stands that universal healthcare doesn't automatically mean that you will have to wait in line for an excessive amount of time for whatever treatment we are talking about. Hell the same risk applies to private healtcare if people would all reach for treatment X en masse and no sufficient facilties have become available yet.

That is why I suggest to form an opinion about private healthcare versus hybrid or private only setups at a financial point of view or perhaps an ideological point of view ("I think it only costs me more and I don't see why I would have to help out some bum" for example).