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#1 13 years ago

This thread is about Eastern European countries and how they traded one "dictatorship" for another. Also about the ideology of democracy working in different countries like Iraq. I mostly used Romania as an example.

The typical American answer of why the countries are the way they are is "Blame it on communism". But of course the roots are way deeper. Being from Romania, I will talk about that specic country. A bomb exploded there, a stupidity bomb that is. In a country where the law is made by "criminals" and corruption seems to get higher and higher. Not only the constitution is not followed, the whole system is flawed. When Ceausescu was in power, the so called "tyrant", everything was in order. Stupidity was at a minimum. Back then, we were the #2 exporter of firearms in Eastern Europe. All of Romania's infrastructure was built during his time. The nuclear power plant was built during his time. Pretty much everything. Now of course there was some bad times, when there was a lack of food and rations were given, but it was all for a reason. By the time Ceausescu was executed, Romania had 0$ in debt. Right now, they are neck deep in debt. So why is that? Back when in the years where things weren't going too well, Ceausescu was overthrown, but not for the good of the people, but for political causes that would benefit people for the moment, but eventually lead them in a swamp of shit. The new people in power were former members of the old regime. Although the so called "democracy" was revealed, the truth is far different. The people in charge did nothing but sucked the country off everything. Now it has become a strugle to get in office and start sucking money. Much of the infrastructure was sold to foreign contractors for dirt cheap prices. The countries public oil company was privatized to an Austrian owner. Gas is cheaper in Austria who has no oil than in Romania who has oil fields. Now what country in the world sells its most valuable natural resource away like that? People like that deserve to be shot for selling their country away, but instead they walk away with nothing. And they get to say "we did it in the best interest of the country". Every senator gets luxury cars that they buy using state money. They recently bought laps that cost 15000 euro's a piece. :rolleyes: So thats obviously another scam. And a teacher would get a salary of less than $300 a month. So corruption is high and the governemnt is either too slow or doing nothing about it. This would haven not have happened if Communism was still in power. My point being that in order for democracy to work, a constitution is needed to serve the people, and not made to take advantage of things. My second point being that in a weak country, you can't just make it democratic and expect things to work right. And that is where Iraq comes in. I believe democracy will never work in Iraq and if it does, it will be corrupted and taken advantage by many, leading Iraq into a shithole. Anyway, what do you guys think?




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#2 13 years ago

Well I pretty much agree, democracy doesn't always have to work (or atleast not without giving it time and perhaps certain addeptions). One can not expect to clap in his hands and voila a complete and fully working democracy.

It would be "nice" if all countries would be a democracy but that will never happen. In the end any system will need a majority of people to agree. Not every culture or country would manage fine with exactly the same structure. Hell even our western democracies have very different goverment setups.




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#3 13 years ago

It's about the lesser of the two evils: would you rather have a dictator capable of organization, or a less skilled but more socially 'desirable' government? Each regime has it's flaws, and the people of the country in question usually view the situation in a different light compared to the world community observing that country. For example, Middle Eastern culture will not permit democracy. After developing for thousands of years as a tribe-based theocracy, there is no possibility of showing them why we feel democracy is superior. We need to accept that, just as Western civilizations are culturally conditioned to believe Democracy is the supreme form of government, the Middle East is culturally geared toward a theocracy, and no amount of military presence will alter that. We also need to recognize that Middle Eastern countries simply operate better under such a government, no matter who in the Western hemisphere might think otherwise. To sum up: there are two situations where democracy fails. First is where the population appreciates a different system for the economic benefits experienced; second is where a culture has been created around a standing theory of government which cannot be reconciled with democracy.




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#4 13 years ago

When I was in Chile earlier this year, my host family prefered the Pinochet regime to the democracy. They lost some freedoms, but they felt like things were getting done, the people in charge were confident in what they were doing and didn't need radicals to tell them what was best for their country.




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#5 13 years ago

That's anecdotal. Provide us with a more macro scaled view.




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#6 13 years ago

Hey, I'm just saying that's what I've experienced. Sure it was one family in a country of millions.

It just came as a big surprise to me.




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#7 13 years ago

Exactly. You only know the opinion of one person.




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#8 13 years ago

Could you guys ever just consider the chance that sometimes, for all their moral flaws, dictators can bolster a country's economy more efficiently than a democracy? With a democracy there are dozens of differing opinions. With a dictator there is only one, so there is nearly instant obedience. While it can easily turn abusive (and I am in NO WAY upholding a dictatorship as the best form of government) such instant decisions and absolute power could be extremely stimulating to an economy.




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#9 13 years ago

We need the government that was in the Starship troopers movie and book. Best government there is.... One ruled by the military..




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#10 13 years ago

I my self like a Military ruled government.. Gets the job done and makes sure no one fucks around. This may be stupid but the Government that was in Starship troopers I like a lot.