Which Came First, The Chicken or the Egg? 37 replies

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Jill

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#1 12 years ago

The reason I made this poll is because my 10th grade biology teacher Mr. Harris asked the class last year, which came first, the chicken or the egg? We all kinda looked at each other. Then Mr. Harris answered..."The chicken because I am a I’m a creationist." That made me think because a guy named Wendell that is very smart told me that he thought that egg came first because he believed in evolution. It always made me wonder from that day how everyone else thought trying to put these two things together. Anotherwords looking at our Forum members here... do we think chicken/Creationism and egg/Darwinism? So basically you have two definitions here. 1. Darwinism - A theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory. 2. Creationism - Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.

You know...sometimes I think too much. That has always been a problem with me. I probably did a poor job of trying to explain my thought. I will try and make it more simple.

Egg/Creationism: Some dude sitting on a cloud points his wand at the earth an *poof* we got an egg.

Chicken/Creationism: Some dude sitting on a cloud points his wand at the earth an *poof* we got a chicken.

Egg/Darwinism: A one-cell organism begin to evolve until some mammal gives birth to a chicken (has to be a mammal: birds, reptiles, insects and spiders lay eggs and thus the egg would be first)

Chicken/Darwinism: A one-cell organism begin to evolve until some bird, who strongly resembles a chicken as we know it, lays an egg... the egg hatches and.... WE GOT OUR CHICKEN !!!!!




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#2 12 years ago

Depends on the definition. By egg I assume you mean chicken egg, but is a chicken egg and egg layed by a chicken, or an egg that contains a baby chicken?




Jill

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#3 12 years ago
'LIGHTNING [NL']Depends on the definition. By egg I assume you mean chicken egg, but is a chicken egg and egg layed by a chicken, or an egg that contains a baby chicken?

Right..I guess this is sort of an American saying...Which came first...the chicken or the egg. It could be a Southern thing too. I bet to some this question seems dumb huh?




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#4 12 years ago

Well, I don't know about creationism or darwinism, but the chicken came before the egg. Someone had to teach the babies how to hunt for worms and stay safe.




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#5 12 years ago

KFC came first! They invented chicken as part of an evil conglomerate world domination bid!

Alternatively, the egg.




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#6 12 years ago

http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/6R37.html

In this article I will prove that the so-called Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg is, in reality, not a dilemma at all. The question, which of the two was there first, is a simple question, that can be solved. It was Darwin who made it possible to provide the correct answer, as I will do in this scholarly article, but also before Darwin there can never have been a Dilemma, as all myths about the Creation I know of speak of the creation of animals, not of eggs. The famous Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg, in other words, is nothing but a sham.

Nowadays we know that chickens, or eggs, for that matter, were not created by God, but that they are the product of a long evolution, and that makes the Dilemma more difficult to solve. But it can be done. To begin with, we have to specify that we will be speaking about chickens and chicken's eggs, not about chickens and any kind of eggs, because in that case, the answer is trivial and uninteresting. This seems evident, but I mention it because of its importance further in this discussion.

Let us call the animal which preceded chickens in the evolution of the species the primeval chicken, or p-chicken for short. The difference between chicken and p-chicken is probably small and arbitrary, but it must be possible to differentiate between them, although the criterion we will use will be chosen more or less arbitrarily by biologists. In the remainder of this article I will speak about chickens and p-chickens as if we all know the difference; what exactly this difference is, is unimportant to us philosophers.

One day a p-chicken must have laid an egg, out of which a modern chicken emerged. The arrival of this strange chicken has maybe happened on several occasions independently, and the first modern chicken might not be the ancestor of all our chickens, or it might even have died childless, but this is of no importance for our discussion. The only factor of importance is, whether the egg out of which the first modern chicken was born, was a real chicken's egg. If this egg actually was a chicken's egg, then the Egg existed before the Chicken, if not, it can only have originated later.

Now we still have to define a chicken's egg. At first sight, there seem to be three possibilities: a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken (we might call this the popular definition of a chicken's egg), or a chicken's egg is an egg out of which a chicken is born, or a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken, out of which a chicken is born. In fact, only the first definition can be right, because also the eggs we eat, which most certainly do not contain chickens, are called chicken's eggs. And on top of that, if eggs were named after what they contained, there would also have to exist cock's eggs. No, the genitive form can only refer to the maker, not to the inhabitant of the egg.

So, as the egg, out of which the first chicken emerged, cannot have been a chicken's egg, because it was laid by a p-chicken, and as we have clearly stated that the Egg in the Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg can only have been meant as a chicken's egg, I conclude that the Egg came into existence after the Chicken. With the remark, that for once the old creation myths and modern science have come to the same conclusion, I finally put an end to this learned discussion.




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#7 12 years ago

You know...sometimes I think too much. That has always been a problem with me. I probably did a poor job of trying to explain my thought. I will try and make it more simple. Egg/Creationism: Some dude sitting on a cloud points his wand at the earth an *poof* we got an egg. :confused: Chicken/Creationism: Some dude sitting on a cloud points his wand at the earth an *poof* we got a chicken. :confused: Chicken/Darwinism: A one-cell organism begin to evolve until some mammal gives birth to a chicken (has to be a mammal: birds, reptiles, insects and spiders lay eggs and thus the egg would be first) :confused: Egg/Darwinism: A one-cell organism begin to evolve until some bird, who strongly resembles a chicken as we know it, lays an egg... the egg hatches and.... WE GOT OUR CHICKEN !!!!! :confused:




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#8 12 years ago
AzHhttp://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/6R37.html

If you go with that, how'd the 'p-chicken' get there? I think the egg came first and I believe the theory of Darwinism. It just makes more sense than creationism.




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#9 12 years ago

I believe in Evolution but I can't say because I don't know how chickens came about; Whether they were cross-bred or a previous species that evolved. (Cross-bred obviously it would be Egg) However, assuming it was a previous species that evolved then I still can't say, mainly because I don't know if an animals physical form determines its species, or it's genes do. (assuming genes are altered through lifestyle) If physical form determines species then It's egg, because the mothers of what came before chickens, their lifestyle altered their own genes to 'chicken' so that it's next born would be 'chicken'. If genes determine species then Chicken, because the first chicken would be one of the previous species that's lifestyle altered it's genes to the point of 'chicken'. I voted for "I don't know and Jill..... " But only simply due to agreement with the second part of the vote option.




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#10 12 years ago
jedikiller32If you go with that, how'd the 'p-chicken' get there? I think the egg came first and I believe the theory of Darwinism. It just makes more sense than creationism.

The p-chicken is any animal that preceded the chicken. The animal could have been a non-egg laying creature which evolved into an egg layer.