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Penguin_Unit

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#1 10 years ago

"I'm voting for Obama." Can you see the problems in this sentence? I am thoroughly angry at a good deal of the American people about now. Everyone's screaming to elect this Obama fellow as the next president of the United States. Why him? Now for my main points. He has almost NOTHING going for him, and he hasn't really said much about what he's going to do once he's in office, assuming he manages to get there. He says he wants to bring "change". Change for the sake of change is really a bad idea, in my opinion. You can't fix what isn't broken. What does he want to "change"? I'm sorry, sir, but if you are implying that blacks are being mistreated, you missed the bus, so to speak. By thirty years. His ideas are that of Marxism. Marxism is just communism with a different name. You want to elect a man as president who has ideas akin to those of Joseph Stalin? What are you trying to do, drive us into the ground or something? The few things he actually has said he wants to do may sound fine. But people are missing something here. He's going to take your freedoms away to do it, so it isn't all it's cut out to be. Sitting down and talking with terrorists? There is no way to negotiate with people who have already made it clear they don't particularly like you and want to blow your allies into orbit. He's already been caught going to the church of a man who was found to be spouting anti-semetic and extremely unpatriotic, even anti-American, comments. Obama lied to begin with. He said he didn't know, then he admitted he heard some of it, and then he went out and said he heard it all. And yet he went to that place for twenty years? I would have stormed out a long time ago. I've heard people talking on the news and being interviewed about why they want to vote. They're all saying he has "charisma" and that he "seems like a good person". What does this have to do with being a president? I'm looking at policies and his views, not necessarily his character. By what these people are implying, if I get up and give an eloquent speech and tell them I'll give them free stuff, I guess I can be president too? These people are voting for a communist in sheep's clothing just because he's black. I do not want him as president. Discuss these points here. Please, don't be stupid and neg-rep me again for just pointing out simple facts...




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#2 10 years ago

Penguin_Unit;4354086"I'm voting for Obama." Can you see the problems in this sentence?[/quote] No.

Penguin_Unit;4354086 He has almost NOTHING going for him, and he hasn't really said much about what he's going to do once he's in office, assuming he manages to get there. He says he wants to bring "change".[/quote] Sounds like what every other presidential candidate has ever said; “Change”…

Penguin_Unit;4354086 Change for the sake of change is really a bad idea, in my opinion. You can't fix what isn't broken. What does he want to "change"? I'm sorry, sir, but if you are implying that blacks are being mistreated, you missed the bus, so to speak. By thirty years.[/quote]

You think the current state of affairs is fine? Nothing appears, amiss, to you? Ok then..

Penguin_Unit;4354086 His ideas are that of Marxism. Marxism is just communism with a different name. You want to elect a man as president who has ideas akin to those of Joseph Stalin? What are you trying to do, drive us into the ground or something?[/quote] We’re about there already. The dollar is sinking in value with every passing day, We have 5% of the worlds population, but 25% of the worlds prison population. Land of the free? What a misnomer…

Penguin_Unit;4354086 The few things he actually has said he wants to do may sound fine. But people are missing something here. He's going to take your freedoms away to do it, so it isn't all it's cut out to be.

That would be keeping up with current trends. The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions act, The Martial Law Act, The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. Via these acts, your inalienable “rights” become illusions. Hold on to them tightly.

[quote=Penguin_Unit;4354086] Sitting down and talking with terrorists? There is no way to negotiate with people who have already made it clear they don't particularly like you and want to blow your allies into orbit.

Maybe talking to some of the enemies is worth a shot. Bombing them into oblivion year after year isn’t doing much good.

[quote=Penguin_Unit;4354086] He's already been caught going to the church of a man who was found to be spouting anti-semetic and extremely unpatriotic, even anti-American, comments. Obama lied to begin with. He said he didn't know, then he admitted he heard some of it, and then he went out and said he heard it all. And yet he went to that place for twenty years? I would have stormed out a long time ago.

Them damn fundamentalists… I agree with you on this point, but I don’t think it should be limited to just this one pastor. Perhaps the entire spectrum needs review?

[quote=Penguin_Unit;4354086] I've heard people talking on the news and being interviewed about why they want to vote. They're all saying he has "charisma" and that he "seems like a good person". What does this have to do with being a president? I'm looking at policies and his views, not necessarily his character.

Think Regan, a lot of people attributed his successful campaign to his ‘charisma’ and acting career.

[quote=Penguin_Unit;4354086] These people are voting for a communist in sheep's clothing just because he's black. I do not want him as president.

You sure you just don’t want him to be president because he is black?




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#3 10 years ago
Penguin UnitThese people are voting for a communist in sheep's clothing

I am quite confident you wouldn't know a communist if one came up and smacked you in the face.

There are plenty of good reasons not to vote for Obama, unfortunately you have missed all of them.




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#4 10 years ago

I wouldn't vote for him just because I have no idea what he stands for, other than that he is a democrat. Since I generally don't like democratic policies, I can't see myself liking him. He seems like a nice guy and all, but I don't agree at all with his party platform, which is all I have to go by.




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#5 10 years ago

You lost me at "you can't fix what isn't broken." Do you really think everything is hunky-dory currently? Obama doesn't have the same ties to big businesses that the other candidates have. Obama is not Marxist, and he is CERTAINLY not Stalinist. Your hyperbole has no place in the Pub. Are you suggesting that nations like Germany and the UK, which have social programs further to the left than Obama's proposed ones, are somehow Super-Stalinist?

Which freedoms will Obama take away from us, exactly? Are those any freedoms we've not already lost in our chickens-with-heads-cut-off-panic after September 11?

Anti-Semitic? When did Reverend Wright say anything anti-Semitic? Anti-US policies, yes, but I don't recall the anti-Semitism. You shouldn't pull the anti-Semite card when McCain has a shitload of fundamentalist/evangelist preachers backing him, be they anti-minority, anti-Jew, anti-gay, anti-self-determination.

Sitting down and talking with terrorists. It is something that's done a good amount, when those terrorists control a nation or a very powerful entity. That's how the USA was formed, that's how we brought the CSA back into the USA, that's how we fled Vietnam, that's how we've handled the Native American population (justified or not, killing a bunch of settlers is terrorism. For that reason, Israel must be included on this list, even if we like their terrorism.) The USA has a long history of dealing with terrorists. For the defense of New Orleans in the War of 1812, we pardoned a bunch of terrorists in order to make them want to defend the city. We used other terrorists during the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War to harass British trade.To contain the spread of Communism, the USA funded/trained/armed a bunch of right-wing terrorist organizations, including a group you might be familiar with: the mujahiddeen. Of course there's a way to negotiate with people who don't like you. It doesn't hurt to carry a big stick, but speaking softly can get a lot done. Granted, there are some people we can't deal with while protecting American economic interests, and we must decide whether our wealth is more important than their lives. There are of course a few muleheaded people who won't budge until the Israelis are driven into the sea/the USA is wiped off the map/a new caliphate is established, but there's a reason for the military.

Why is charisma or a good d appearance important for a president? I dunno, it sure didn't help JFK or Reagan any. Waitaminute...

You are not pointing out simple facts. You are using opinion and hyperbole to try to make your opponents look foolish. Simple facts consist of quotes, numbers, and statistics. Your unsubstantiated opinions do not constitute "simple facts".




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#6 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4354086Change for the sake of change is really a bad idea, in my opinion. You can't fix what isn't broken. What does he want to "change"? I'm sorry, sir, but if you are implying that blacks are being mistreated, you missed the bus, so to speak. By thirty years.

Can't fix what isn't broken? How about a stagnant economy, a huge and growing gap between rich and poor, a weak and falling currency, a failing educational system, some of the most lenient and weak environmental policies in the industrialized world, and a miserable foreign policy that has resulted in pretty much the entire rest of the world hating or ridiculing the US within 8 years? There are plenty of things to change. In a country as fucked up as the US, the attitude of change is definitely welcome.

His ideas are that of Marxism. Marxism is just communism with a different name. You want to elect a man as president who has ideas akin to those of Joseph Stalin? What are you trying to do, drive us into the ground or something?

Obviously you are clueless to what Marxism is, and suggesting Stalin followed such an ideology, hah! Stalin was a brutal dictator, very much contrary to the principles of the "people's rule".

The few things he actually has said he wants to do may sound fine. But people are missing something here. He's going to take your freedoms away to do it, so it isn't all it's cut out to be.

A vague accusation missing both an example and an explanation. However, it's easy to see where Bush has been sacrificing freedoms to achieve dubious goals (Patriot Act?).

Sitting down and talking with terrorists? There is no way to negotiate with people who have already made it clear they don't particularly like you and want to blow your allies into orbit.

Another inaccurate accusation. Obviously economic pressure and threat of nuclear war have not worked on Iran. And the violent approach has not exactly been successful in other situations internationally.

He's already been caught going to the church of a man who was found to be spouting anti-semetic and extremely unpatriotic, even anti-American, comments.

Another prime example of the extreme nationalism instilled in most Americans. No one can dare criticize the country, even if it may be truthful and justified. Instead of acknowledging that there are problems, they attack any critic as anti-American or unpatriotic. I would be proud to be called unpatriotic.

I've heard people talking on the news and being interviewed about why they want to vote. They're all saying he has "charisma" and that he "seems like a good person". What does this have to do with being a president? I'm looking at policies and his views, not necessarily his character.

So? Most voters of any candidate, past and present, have no less vague reasons. "Good leadership" is, for example, another popular reason that doesn't really mean much.

By what these people are implying, if I get up and give an eloquent speech and tell them I'll give them free stuff, I guess I can be president too?

Yes. Appealing to the masses is what it's all about. Just look at the president now, he's not even remotely suitable for his job and yet he somehow managed get it.

These people are voting for a communist in sheep's clothing just because he's black. I do not want him as president.

You don't know what communism means, and you accuse people of voting for him because of his skin color. What kind of argument is that?




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#7 10 years ago

Well the only thing is he won't allow the lobbies to write the laws and then pass them in the dead of night. He is supposed to start adding tarrifs and protect our middle class Tax the rich and corperations won't have an easy time of off shore tax shelters. supposedly, but what I think will happen he will seround himself with people that will get him to run social programs for mainly minorities, and all the good stuff will get washed down so thin it won't fix all this over powered corperate stuff. Like breakup oil companies, Hillary is bought, and Mccain is one of those god awefull republicans, you know, the guy who will be just another Bush, yada yada yada. Problem is that you have the media, the people, the companies,congress,and the global opinions to make them all happy and not anyone will disagree. Like allowing illegals to vote, hell not one person would disagree with that, right? He will thin out Iraq and waste everything we done and money, not one person could EVER disagree with that either. aaagh it's so Fd up Makes me want to vote for McCain even more as I type.He is the most balanced of the 3, but still don't do what we want. I want to fix the trade stuff, block the border, break up big corperations, but that combination aint going to happen, OH and drill for oil and put up refineries in every state the way it was, we lost 200 refineries, but now we have all this global warming nonsense sooooooo, all 3 fail at doing the right thing. Oh well $4.20 a gallon yeeeehaw................but don't use oil lol rediculas When asked, nobody knows what he has accomplished, cuz there aint anything. It is just a big anti bush pro Obama ,bash Hillary, media hyped thing, and that is about it. Oh, and that goerge soros billionare guy is gearing up the biggest smear campaign against McCain he and the media is undermining our election to put thier agenda for the usa, anti religion, anti profit, pro drugs, anything liberal.




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#8 10 years ago

30 minutes is not long enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________ go read some of this, kinda summs up the whole thing so far ENPR: Obama Trying to Shut Up Clinton and McCain - HUMAN EVENTS __________________________ NOT gong off topic, just pointing out this is what Obama will ruin as an added benefit to screw up USA and Iraq. FORWARD OPERATING BASE KALSU — After nearly three months of reconstruction, Sayafiyah residents celebrated the simultaneous openings of the Sayafiyah Governance Center, Veterinary Clinic and Health Clinic on May 20. “This is their day,” said Capt. Joe Johnson, commander of Company C, 1st Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment, currently attached to 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division. All three of the projects were a result of teamwork between Soldiers from the 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), and the civilian population. Read more... Multi-National Force - Iraq - Home another Multi-National Force - Iraq - Over 140 Suspected Criminals turn themselves over to ISF (Balad) Oh but you won't see the stuff the dems used to be for, they could care less as long as they make a mess out of Iraq (Obama)




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#9 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4354086 His ideas are that of Marxism. Marxism is just communism with a different name. You want to elect a man as president who has ideas akin to those of Joseph Stalin? What are you trying to do, drive us into the ground or something?

NOT AGAIN!!! How many times has this happened?




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#10 10 years ago

Its really as simple as this: McCain has gone out of his way to go from maverick reformer to a Republican shrill. He completely supports the Bush administration and everything it stands for and has done. If you feel, that the US' current situation has been improved in the last 8 years with Bushco. By all means vote for Republicans AGAIN. If however, you feel that things have done nothing but go downhill, perhaps you should consider voting for the 'other guy'.

Saying stupid shiat about the differing candidate, and then crying about how your golden boy continues to rape you year after year speaks of either a masochist personality or ignorance. Bush was shown to be a lame duck before he became president and before he was reelected. the same people voting for McCain THIS time around are the same people bitching about how terrible bush was for 'their' party. Sounds odd to me.