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NiteStryker

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#1 11 years ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_haiti_earthquake

US takes charge in Haiti

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama and the U.S. moved to take charge in earthquake-ravaged Haiti on Thursday, dispatching thousands of troops along with tons of aid to try to keep order as well as rescue the suffering in a country dysfunctional in the best of times.

Tested by the first large-scale humanitarian disaster of his presidency, Obama ordered a relief effort of historic proportions despite the strains it was sure to put on both the stretched U.S. budget and military forces fighting two wars. He pledged an initial $100 million — with the likelihood of more later.

"The United States is providing a lot of the glue that is keeping people communicating and working together as we try to assert authority, reinstate the government and begin to do what governments have to do to rebuild," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Fox News Channel.

Now..can I just throw out the random question.....

Why the hell are we "taking charge" of giving them stuff? Why cant they do it themselves? Our economy sucks ass right now, and we are going to give them a hundred million? Why?

Call me inhuman or insensitive, I dont care. I think we need to fix ourselves before we start stepping into other countries' crap.

Im not saying dont help them, but why are we "taking charge" of doing so?




gravy666

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#2 11 years ago

Well I don't know, maybe it has something to do with them asking for our help because they don't have enough resources to tend to the wounded, and possibly having 500,000 people killed in a 7.0 earthquake?

You tell me.




SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#3 11 years ago

If you want a selfish justification for the US, then you can say that it is undesirable for a failed state, and the opportunities it presents as a haven/breeding ground for enemies of the US, not to mention the destabilizing effect it could have on the region, to exist so close to national borders. Aid can also be seen as a form of soft power. All the money spent helping Haiti generates positive feelings for the US and is much less expensive than a hard power military campaign (which could potentially be necessary in the future if Haiti is allowed to slip into chaos). It can also provide an 'in' into the region for the US/US corporations in the future. Not that there's much economic interest in Haiti but there could potentially be in the future. Perhaps some innocuous sounding addendum can be added to any aid agreements now that could later be used to exploit Haiti to the US's advantage.

Or maybe it would just be super fucked up not to help when we're capable of doing so. Whichever viewpoint makes you feel better.




Nemmerle Advanced Member

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#4 11 years ago

I feel for you poor bastards in America with this fucked up foreign policy. Admittedly it's the same sort of warm fuzzy feeling you get in the pit of your stomach from watching a ten car pileup, and hoping that you don't end up in it as well, but still. :rofl:

The best part is if you succeed no-one of any importance will remember, and if you fail it will be raised on the news whenever people need fodder for a fuckup compilation.




Nittany Tiger Advanced Member

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#5 11 years ago

You know, Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, so at least a financial contribution should be made.

Not sure about sending in troops.




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#6 11 years ago
Killer Kyle;5211450You know, Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, so at least a financial contribution should be made. Not sure about sending in troops.

Its total chaos in Haiti, the UN has had military personel there for years to aid in keeping order and training police/soldiers. It is abseloutely necessary that the US and Canada send troops in to keep order and help with reconstruction/repairs or bridges and port facilities. Did you know that the main prison in Haiti was damaged? Several hundred convicts are now lose, and there was been serious looting. Still not sure about the need for troops?

If you want a selfish justification for the US, then you can say that it is undesirable for a failed state, and the opportunities it presents as a haven/breeding ground for enemies of the US, not to mention the destabilizing effect it could have on the region, to exist so close to national borders. Aid can also be seen as a form of soft power. All the money spent helping Haiti generates positive feelings for the US and is much less expensive than a hard power military campaign (which could potentially be necessary in the future if Haiti is allowed to slip into chaos). It can also provide an 'in' into the region for the US/US corporations in the future. Not that there's much economic interest in Haiti but there could potentially be in the future. Perhaps some innocuous sounding addendum can be added to any aid agreements now that could later be used to exploit Haiti to the US's advantage.

Or maybe it would just be super fucked up not to help when we're capable of doing so. Whichever viewpoint makes you feel better.

This. You have 2 options, help the poor people. Or have them take a lesson from Somalia, and start raiding ships. So you want total chaos to break out or do you want to try and solve the problem.




SeinfeldisKindaOk

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#7 11 years ago
Killer Kyle;5211450 Not sure about sending in troops.

Well UN forces have been in Haiti in recent years for unrest so it's not unprecedented. Chances for looting, violence are going to be high when there are shortages of food, water, medicine etc. and people are desperate to get those resources.




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#8 11 years ago

This whole disaster has a high chance of severely destabilizing Haiti. Before it was a shithole, but a fairly stable shithole so it didn't cause any problems with us. If the Haitian government couldn't keep order you could expect to see Haiti becoming a problem area further into the future.

Basically, what Professor Dr. Scientist (who will from now on be referred to as PDS) said. Except he said it better. =p




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#9 11 years ago

100 mill isn't too hard of a drop in the bucket, if you consider that the US is already spending double that amount daily for war operations.

And I'd imagine that the US doesn't want to have Haiti destabilize and become a haven for certain groups that could potentially destabilize other nations and eventually economic standing.

Though I don't see why another thread had to be opened for this.




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#10 11 years ago
Commissar MercZ;5211488And really 100 mill isn't too hard of a drop in the bucket. US is already double that amount daily for war operations.

When you are trillions of dollar in debt you need to count every drop carefully. ;)