Why is public transportation in America so crappy? 67 replies

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Karst

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#61 12 years ago
Sedistix;4296000Why is it so crappy? Because people can be alone in their cars. So they use them. It's like one of the last places on can go, be alone, and listen to music with out people yammering on and on about meaningless shit. I completely understand why public transportation fails.

One of the last places to be alone? What about....home?

Seriously, I can understand why people prefer driving a car, but with the horrors of parking and traffic jams, that diminishes. I'd rather just get on a streetcar or train and know that I'll be a certain place at a certain time, rather than never knowing how long the trip will take and where I'll finally get to stop. Within a city, driving is problematic to say the least.




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#62 12 years ago
Karst;4296326One of the last places to be alone? What about....home?

Easier said than done.

Spouses, kids, family, parents, roomies, friends, phones... You get the idea.

Yeah home is not a place where you can always be alone, or jam out to the latest whatever at incredible volume, with out someone interrupting... or complaining.

You are never as alone at home, as you could be in a car. Who's going to knock on your door while driving? Who can complain about the volume at 65mph? The car, your car, is truly one of the last places you can be alone.




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#63 12 years ago

Sedistix;4296341Easier said than done.

Spouses, kids, family, parents, roomies, friends, phones... You get the idea.

Yeah home is not a place where you can always be alone, or jam out to the latest whatever at incredible volume, with out someone interrupting... or complaining.

You are never as alone at home, as you could be in a car. Who's going to knock on your door while driving? Who can complain about the volume at 65mph? The car, your car, is truly one of the last places you can be alone.

I still can't imagine that would be the reasoning of many people. You can't even move in a car, you're constantly around other cars, pedestrians and cyclists all around you. You don't have any privacy at all.




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#64 12 years ago
I still can't imagine that would be the reasoning of many people. You can't even move in a car, you're constantly around other cars, pedestrians and cyclists all around you. You don't have any privacy at all.

My thoughts too. I feel much more at home, well, at home, and I guess that contributes to your sense of privacy as well.




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#65 12 years ago
Karst;4296351I still can't imagine that would be the reasoning of many people. You can't even move in a car, you're constantly around other cars, pedestrians and cyclists all around you. You don't have any privacy at all.

Its easy to assume that everyone lives in or near a city. :) Yet that would be a mistake.

Trust me when I say the concrete jungles and people associated with them, don't go off into the horizon everytime. There are places where it's nothing but open road, and there is no traffic. In fact it's most of the united states once you get inland.

Maybe now is to early for you to see.




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#66 12 years ago
SedestixIts easy to assume that everyone lives in or near a city.

Most of us do... urban-rural divide in most of the West is in the 70-90% range.

And as it happens, public transport is rarely if ever considered for rural areas, with the exception of satellite towns and commuter links.

There's no point in having public transport where there's no public.




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#67 12 years ago

Sedistix;4296446Its easy to assume that everyone lives in or near a city. :) Yet that would be a mistake.

Trust me when I say the concrete jungles and people associated with them, don't go off into the horizon everytime. There are places where it's nothing but open road, and there is no traffic. In fact it's most of the united states once you get inland.

Maybe now is to early for you to see.

What marsoe said. This thread, as well as the whole argument in general, is usually focussed around public transportation in cities.

However, even for trips outside, I much prefer a comfortable train to a car. I like being able to move.




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#68 12 years ago
Trust me when I say the concrete jungles and people associated with them, don't go off into the horizon everytime. There are places where it's nothing but open road, and there is no traffic. In fact it's most of the united states once you get inland.

Yet I am sure more than half of the Western population lives in some form of city or another. And I am also sure that the road network in these countries far exceeds the length of the dedicated public transport and freight network - rail, canal, etc. I suppose runways count as well, but they may be negligible.

However, even for trips outside, I much prefer a comfortable train to a car. I like being able to move.

Except in China, where the 'being able to move' bit isn't strictly true.