7th December 2003
Releasing almost 400000 secret documents about Iraq.
The 391,831 US army Sigacts (Significant Actions) reports published by Wikileaks on Friday describe the apparent torture of Iraqi detainees by the Iraqi authorities, sometimes using electrocution, electric drills and in some cases even executing detainees, says the BBC's Adam Brookes, who has examined some of the files.
The documents also reveal many previously unreported instances in which US forces killed civilians at checkpoints and during operations.
Finally, the documents appear to show that the US military did keep records of civilian deaths, despite earlier denials that any official statistics on the death toll were available. The logs showed there were more than 109,000 violent deaths between 2004 and the end of 2009.
The US complains that the release of information will allow other countries to learn much about their procedures. The other excuse (putting people mentioned in reports at risk) didn't work so well anymore as the names were removed from the reports by Wikileaks this time.
I didn't really follow everything, but isn't it just illegal to disclose "private" documents?
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
MrFancypants;5414030The US complains that the release of information will allow other countries to learn much about their procedures.
Procedures like torture....
Grand Master Overwatch Player
14th August 2008
noobst3R;5414039I didn't really follow everything, but isn't it just illegal to disclose "private" documents?
Isn't it wrong to kill civilians just like that? :rolleyes:
Makes me wonder, do you think the soldiers who did it would get prosecuted, or simply ignored like the US ignored the entire issue before?
Formerly known as Graeme and Arld.
The line about letting Americas enemies "figure out how we operate" is a fairly weak argument in this case. As far as I can see, the information being revealed here isn't the sort that could jeopardise US military operations. All it does is make America look bad, once again.
ArticleAnd he once again asked Wikileaks to remove the documents from the web and return them to the Department of Defense.
Shouldn't the people at the Pentagon know better than to waste their time? If you don't want other countries to know you turn a blind eye to torture and the killing of civilians, there's a simple enough solution.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Don't write it down?
Nem, his solution is to kill everyone suspected of involvement in Wikileaks, obviously. It's sort of bad publicity though.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Nemmerle;5414186Don't write it down?
It seems to sorta follow the same principle as "not putting incriminating photos up on Facebook"
Nemmerle;5414186Don't write it down?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Huffardo;5414202]Nem, his solution is to kill everyone suspected of involvement in Wikileaks, obviously. It's sort of bad publicity though.
No no no. If you don't want other countries to know you turn a blind eye to torture and the killing of civilians, the solution to your problem is simply to embrace the free flow of information and stop worrying about it. ;)
I will be neg-repped for this, but American soldiers, and more specifically the American military in general have always shown incredible disregard for the well-being of the people they are occupying. Examples:
The Philippines, early 1900's: more than 200,000 Filipinos are killed (many women and children) during an unsuccessful war for independence. only 5,000 americans died.
Germany, 1945: Indiscriminate bombing kills 25,000 people in Dresden, mainly civilians.
Japan, 1945: In the only use of nuclear weapons in history, two bombs were dropped, on Hiroshima and on on Nagasaki. as many as 250,000-500,000 died from the combined effects of the bombing and the radiation poisoning.
Vietnam, 1965-1975: Indiscriminate heavy bombing, excessive brutality, counter-insurgency measures, and chemical weapons kills a reported 3 million Vietnamese. 60,000 Americans were killed, but the casualty ratio is still 500:1.
Panama, 1989: 4,000 Panamanians killed when Americans overthrow the very dictator they appointed, Manuel Noriega. 23 americans died.
Yugoslavia, 1999: more than 1,000 people are killed when highly inaccurate bombing from NATO countries results in terrible civilian casualties. Depleted Uranium was used in bombardments, and produces the same terrible cancer as nuclear weapons.
Iraq, 1990's: 500,000-1,500,000 die from bombing, sanctions, among them hundreds of thousands of children.
Iraq: 2003-2010: 100,000-1,000,000 Iraqis die from torture, bombing, disease, starvation, violence, and use of Depleted Uranium. Cancer rates have skyrocketed in places such as Falujah: babies are born with horrific mutations; people hit by shrapnel suffer from radiation poisoning. 6,000 americans have died.
Afghanistan: Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed by American forces through brutality, reportedly, some American troops killed Afghan civilians for sport and then collected their fingers.
There you have it, a short, incomplete history of American military excesses. American troops are, for some reason, more vicious, brutal, uncaring than the soldiers of other nations. You would have to look back to the second world war, in the German army in occupied countries to find the same level of barbarity that we now know of today in Iraq and Afghanistan.