I've come to the conclusion that America simply can't win the war in that country.
To start with, the Taliban are fighting a guerrilla war, and over the decades these insurgencies have proved nearly impossible to put down if they are well led and have no shortage of die-hard recruits. All the rebels have to do is retreat into the mountains, kill an enemy soldier from time to time, and our resolve to fight will weaken with every casualty and every wasted minute. Besides, they are fighting for their faith, and for their country, and those two motivating factors combined make a pretty powerful contribution to the will of the rebels.
Secondly, the Taliban are growing in strength, as they are finally making conventional style attacks on foreign troops. Any sensible guerrilla leader would conserve his forces with hit-and-run attacks until he had a large sanding army to match the enemy. Every successful guerrilla war has begun with small ambushes in the countryside and escalated to massive armies clashing in towns and cities.
Finally, there is little being done to actually help the Afghan people create a thriving democracy, the reason being that is not our purpose. Northern Alliance troops rape and murder civilians, and Foreign troops have caused numerous civilian deaths, notably when american special forces killed a pregnant woman and a dozen students in a raid. The sort of strategy we are using, weaken a country until it lacks the means to support itself and then find some favorable leaders who will act subserviently to the US, has backfired with horrible consequences. Thousands of soldiers, civilians, and rebels are dead, and Afghanistan is riven with crime and death. The monster america created when it funded the mujahideen in the 1980's looks like it may very well be the death knell for our imperial pursuits.
That being said, I think the Taliban are murderous bastards, and are no better than the foreign soldiers who have come to pacify them. However, I'm merely putting forward my stance on the issue that the war will be lost and the Taliban (or perhaps some other opposition force) will be responsible for the coalition defeat.
This is the longest lasing war in US history as I recall, I honestly don't think America can win. I'd state why, but you basically did for me. I think in a few years America will back out, their allies who have kept close to them (Such as Canada) are already leaving because it is a war that can't be won. The entire Middle East is a war that cannot be won, we should just ignore it and focus on a place that can be helped.
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26th April 2004
Miliciano;5341382 Foreign troops have caused numerous civilian deaths, notably when american special forces killed a pregnant woman and a dozen students in a raid. The sort of strategy we are using, weaken a country until it lacks the means to support itself and then find some favorable leaders who will act subserviently to the US, has backfired with horrible consequences.
Taliban bombings have also caused massive civilian casualties. Do we really know what the ordinary Afghan thinks about the Taliban? I don't think they approve news coming in that a Taliban bombing killed dozens or that someone threw acid at a girl's face who was going to school. Of course US killing of civilians will make a lot of Afghans angry, but that does not necessarily mean they will choose to support the opposing force that is killing civilians as well.
It can't be won though, except if the war lasts long enough to see some drastic change in the views of some extreme Muslim scholars or something similar.
But it could perhaps be stabilised if all troops and resources from Iraq were in Afghanistan, for example. If the Talibans are still controlling some areas 10 years after the invasion, that's no way to go.
Schofield;5341390This is the longest lasing war in US history as I recall
Its a futile effort over there. The people we are trying to help dont have a "country" mindset, they have a tribal mindset. They are so uncivilized and primitive, its useless to try and offer our ideals and ways of life.
Withdrawl, and let them destroy eachother. I still advocate nuclear carpet bombing from orbit, but I think it would be a waste of a perfectly good nuke.
Just withdrawal and leave them to there own business. If they try and attack any of our friendly nations then just do what we do with everyone else: threaten to nuke them to hell.
Dig a 200-km-wide water-filled trench around the entire Middle East, except the Arabian Peninsula, and blockade it. The problem should work itself out.
Whose gonna dig it?
The Israelis, of course.
No take out the Arabian Peninsula as well, that's where the survivors will retreat too. Plus there isn't anything of value there that isn't in the rest of the Middle East. Alex can dig it.
Now that they found about an estimated value of a trillion dollars in minerals, lithium, gold, everything will be fine.
Instead of opium, ahh hell they got that too, lol.
I say there is no "win" we are not there, nor Iraq to take the country, and becomes a matter of law and order backed by income.