Somebody want to tell me why we are in Iraq still? Is it because of these upcoming elections? Do we suddenly care about the Iraqis now? Where were we in the 80s when they were getting gassed and butchered by Saddam en masse? Is it different now? Do we get anything by securing that country? These are all rhetorical questions that you shouldn't be trying to answer. No, we invaded Iraq to piss off the terrorists. To give them just ONE more front to fight on. Just as long as it is not America. Why Iraq? Because they have a majority Shitte population and a large minority population of Sunnis. Two different groups, groups that have their own militias/terrorist groups/leaders that are dangerous. We attack them at their homes. Send our tanks right up to the 3rd most holiest shrine in the Islamic world. In turn, the terrorists come flocking in like they think they stand a chance. Too bad they die in droves and they don't even care anymore. Our logic is that if we kill enough of them, they'll eventually give up. You gotta be kidding me. We're in Iraq for the long haul. Wait, I'm sorry. Troops that don't even know what they are fighting for are in Iraq for the long haul. And I'm not just thinking about the troops. You can't forget the Iraqis that actually believe our prescense is helping their situation. If you think for a minute that suicide bombings every day, gunmen going wild through city streets and IEDs going off on an hourly basis is a road to progress, you're grossly mistaken. I agree that things will get worse before they get better. But do you honestly believe that a prime minister elect is gonna solve the problem? Nope. We're gonna leave and say "Hey Iraq, it's been fun but we're gonna say missioned accomplished and split, k?" And of course Iraq will still be a mess, thanks and no thanks to us.
Millions? Mihail, please share the educational wealth. I would love to see where you got this number from.
Oh, and the vast majority of those citizens who died from the war in Iraq died at the hands of the "insurgents".
"80s when they were getting gassed and butchered by Saddam en masse?"
you mean the iranians right? saddam was being told to do so, remember, when he was allies?
Wanna go Double Dutch?
9th December 2003
Was this worth it? 100,000 of iraqi died, over 1500 american soldiers, soldiers from other countries too. The country is more unstable then ever before, terrorism rules suprime. And what did we got for it? remove a dictator. Great, but what about all those other dictarors out there, ones who may very well much more 'evil' or dangerous. So was it worth it? Definatly not!
That Convo quotes by mihail above made my laugh my ass of, it's not only hilarious but also very very true. :p
I would die without GF
29th November 2003
Partly was it for Bush's business agenda, partly to fulfill Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein for his attempt on George Bush Sr.'s life a decade earlier.
Mihailyou mean the iranians right? saddam was being told to do so, remember, when he was allies?
Not quite. There was a city called Halabja in the north where Saddam, out-of-nowhere like the rat bastard he is, killed 'em all. He also killed like 8,000 members of a Barzani clan, a tribal enemy. With bombs that were made from our chemicals. We didn't want him to nor did we know he was going to. But it's not like we did anything then. Now we are going to be using it against him when we put him on trial.
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46 and 2, are just ahead of me
23rd September 2004
Please join me in a dance.........w00t :banana: :cheer: pointless war!!!!! Nice job to teh Senate voting for a war to find WMD's and what happens? Why, they don't find any. 1,000+ dead for no reason.:bawl: But you could say that, Saddam was a danger and use that little loophole, i love democracy, don't you?:uhm:
Just some good information for you... It was the policy of the United States to unseat Saddam Hussein since 1998! Believe me, if we wanted to "disappear" Saddam, we could. The conversation was funny, but I could make or find one that us righties could laugh at too.
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mine: How to Handle a Liberal College student who likes to protest war… Peace Rally 101 What to do if you happen upon a peace rally by stupid Naive Hemp-shirt-wearing college idiots, to teach them why Force is sometimes needed: 1) Approach dumb rich ignorant student talking about "Peace" and saying there should be, "no retaliation". 2) engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate. 3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?" 4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence." 5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can. 6) When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence." 7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence. 8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time. Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to fight back.
Tekk9Not quite. There was a city called Halabja in the north where Saddam, out-of-nowhere like the rat bastard he is, killed 'em all. He also killed like 8,000 members of a Barzani clan, a tribal enemy. With bombs that were made from our chemicals. We didn't want him to nor did we know he was going to. But it's not like we did anything then. Now we are going to be using it against him when we put him on trial.
So it's okay for saddam to kill the politcal enemies of america, namely nations backed by the soviet union, but not okay for saddam to remove his enemies? or strike back at kuwait when iraq oil is stolen for the british?