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Master of Reality

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#21 16 years ago

It's obvious that his explanation will be:

"Saddam Hussein was a threat. If we hadn't taken him out now, he would have gotten nukes sooner or later. It was for world safety."

Bullocks. Nobody's ever done a pre-emptive strike for so called "world safety"




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#22 16 years ago

This isn't about righties and lefties. Unless you want it to be. I'm not liberal or republican. But I can see a stupid, pointless war with a government that seems to be making things up as it goes along. When are we gonna leave this perpetual state of war? When the terrorists all die? Does that even seem plausible to even the most right-wing person alive? This logic isn't left wing or right wing, it's stupid. Has the world gone to complete and utter sh|t or are we not quite there yet? Give it a few more years, a decade at the most.....




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#23 16 years ago

Everyone is on the right or left. Independents are just too clueless to have an opinion.




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#24 16 years ago
MihailSo it's okay for saddam to kill the politcal enemies of america, namely nations backed by the soviet union, but not okay for saddam to remove his enemies? or strike back at kuwait when iraq oil is stolen for the british?

By the American logic of the 80s, it's okay for our ally to run wild over his people so long as he's attacking our enemy. Have you ever heard the saying that goes something like "The enemy of my friend is my enemy?" Well in this case, it's "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Iran was our enemy. We had never seen a bigger, more potential threat since Communism like the one we saw in fundamental, radical Islam expressed by the Ayatollah. Since there are many more Muslim nations than Communist ones, this couldn't be something that we had to deal with when it grew to its full potential. We gave Saddam the green light to make war with Iran. All the while we did nothing to stop him from abusing his powers at home and destroying all his political enemies as well as innocent people because of their race or religion or ethnicity. Now we are gonna use these crimes and use them to try him in court. Crimes that we saw but did nothing about until we felt that he was of no more use.




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#25 16 years ago
Tekk9This isn't about righties and lefties. Unless you want it to be. I'm not liberal or republican. But I can see a stupid, pointless war with a government that seems to be making things up as it goes along. When are we gonna leave this perpetual state of war? When the terrorists all die? Does that even seem plausible to even the most right-wing person alive? This logic isn't left wing or right wing, it's stupid. Has the world gone to complete and utter sh|t or are we not quite there yet? Give it a few more years, a decade at the most.....

I know what you were saying, but I find it quite funny that conservaties time and time again say saddam is a killer, hes a murderer, and it's well worst the cost of lives it takes to remove him, while infact actions against him have costed many many many more lives, and the fact most of the lives that have been lost at saddam's hands were was because of his choosing of allies during the 70's and 80's.




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#26 16 years ago
'[11PzG USMA2010']Everyone is on the right or left. Independents are just too clueless to have an opinion.

I'm not an independant either, if that's what you're insinuating. But it seems logical to be one as they are less likely to blindly follow their political party to whatever end, even if it takes them to certain doom. Doesn't that sound like a reasonable thing to do? Everyone's got an opinion and I got plenty of them, I just don't vote for a president because I share most of my opinions with a candidate. I'd choose a president based on what he or she is going to do and if it's what the nation or world needs at the time. I'm not about to just vote just because the person is "more liberal" or "more conservative." Most of the nation things like me, that's why there are things called "swing states." It's also why this nation has a low voting turn-out. Because people know their votes count it's just what are they counting towards? Something solid, constant and effective like politicians?! That's sarcasm by the way......




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#27 16 years ago
Tekk9By the American logic of the 80s, it's okay for our ally to run wild over his people so long as he's attacking our enemy. Have you ever heard the saying that goes something like "The enemy of my friend is my enemy?" Well in this case, it's "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Iran was our enemy. We had never seen a bigger, more potential threat since Communism like the one we saw in fundamental, radical Islam expressed by the Ayatollah. Since there are many more Muslim nations than Communist ones, this couldn't be something that we had to deal with when it grew to its full potential. We gave Saddam the green light to make war with Iran. All the while we did nothing to stop him from abusing his powers at home and destroying all his political enemies as well as innocent people because of their race or religion or ethnicity. Now we are gonna use these crimes and use them to try him in court. Crimes that we saw but did nothing about until we felt that he was of no more use.

Saddam was used like a condom, he had one use, and your only going to use it once, Saddam's usefulness ran out when he attacked kuwait a major oil player for the US and the british. Saddam was over looked for all these claims untill recently of all things after he could be blamed for 9/11 and as a world threat, Saddam was played off to be a hilter who was going to kill everyone on earth who was not arab.




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#28 16 years ago
MihailSaddam was used like a condom, he had one use, and your only going to use it once, Saddam's usefulness ran out when he attacked kuwait a major oil player for the US and the british. Saddam was over looked for all these claims untill recently of all things after he could be blamed for 9/11 and as a world threat, Saddam was played off to be a hilter who was going to kill everyone on earth who was not arab.

That seems to be the reality of it, yes. But this is how politics works and this how modern governments do business. It's kind of sickening, isn't it? Well, what the hell are we gonna do about it. Nothing. But I got a great idea, let's all get a sudden interest in politics every four years, vote and then go back on vacation while our president makes all sorts of stupid mistakes! More sarcasm if anybody's sarcasm detector is off..... I don't care if he or she is a liberal or conservative, if they are calling the shots and every shot they call is sh|t, then I'm not gonna stand by and say something like "Oh, it'll be fine don't worry about it!" or "Just give it time, things will work out" or the most popular one "He's (republican/democrat) he or she can do no wrong!" No, I'm not gonna lie to myself like that. Not like some people around here.....




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#29 16 years ago

[11PzG] USMA2010, your quote post is not related to this discussion. it's just the normal left-right arguements.

please stay on topic.




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#30 16 years ago
Well, what the hell are we gonna do about it. Nothing

That's were your wrong, you raise public awareness, and that's what kerry failed to do.