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Flash525

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#1 8 years ago

Just throwing a few questions out here, am interested in the results of all those giving answers. On that note, would it bother you if:

1) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?

2) a) As a Religious Individual, it was somehow proven that God doesn't exist, nor has God ever existed? - Would you (as a Religious person) feel that life is not worth it, would your world come crashing down?

2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God doest exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?

3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.

4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?

5) a) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were real? - Some people believe that we're the only species (of such an intelligent level), and that we're all alone in the Universe. Would you be bothered, as one of these people, to find out that you were wrong, and that we were far from alone?

5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there?

That's five for the moment, question two and five only needs one answer (depending on your belief). I don't really want a discussion on any of these questions here, am essentially looking for a direct answer. I don't mind people discussing and explaining their opinions, but lets not turn this into another Religion or Alien thread, okay?

Thanks.




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#2 8 years ago

1) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?

[INDENT]I don't trust people with that sort of power. I'd prefer if it were to be possible that as few people as possible had anything to do with it - if that meant I didn't have anything to do with it... so be it. If on the other hand it was possible and Joe Blogs the moron from down the road had the only working device....

Well you see where I'm going with this. If my not having anything to do with it was incurred in it being restricted to a small number of highly qualified individuals/no-one I'd be happier with that than with my peers having access to it.[/INDENT]

2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God doest exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you? [INDENT] I'm agnostic. That said I believe in a broadly deterministic universe - sure when you get down to particles you've got the uncertainty principle - but up here on the level of macroscopic interactions I push something around and I can predict the response fairly accurately.

And then there's that fork argument. Either we're determined or we're random or we're somewhere inbetween. Whichever it is I think the only 'free' will is meaningless since in order to be free it couldn't be related to other stuff that would have caused a response.[/INDENT]

3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.

[INDENT]:dread2: The fact is that I'm experiencing this universe. Even if there was another person out there with most of the same properties, the fact that I'm not experiencing that life means that there's something different about them - even though I've no idea what it is. The 'Me' in another universe would not be Me.[/INDENT]

4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing? [INDENT] No, I'd be dead.

If I knew there was nothing after death right now would it bother me? Yeah. I prefer to believe that this isn't all there is. And you can take it further what if the afterlife was considerably worse than this one?

But I'm fairly rational, I can't believe that there is anything after death one way or the other. As with god the devil, and possibly Bob, I take refuge in the unknowability of it all. [/INDENT]

5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there? [INDENT] I'd find it fairly reassuring. I believe that all forms of intelligent life are on one level or another inherently hostile - that the only spur to develop past a certain point is an intelligent opponent.[/INDENT]




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#3 8 years ago
Aerilon;5416486Just throwing a few questions out here, am interested in the results of all those giving answers. On that note, would it bother you if: 1) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?

I think it would bother me if time travel were possible at all. I think it's safe to say it wouldn't be like Doctor Who in real life.

2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God doest exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?

Yes, but it may be essentially predetermined anyway. The real problem for me is that if, say, the biblical God existed, it's likely that I'd be destined for hell.

3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.

I can't have everything I ever wanted either way, so the situation would be no different from a practical perspective. But like Nemmerle said, a version of yourself in another universe whose experiences you cannot share in is not really "you" at all.

4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?

Does anyone really want to live forever, with all that entails? I don't know. Anyone who is never bothered by the concept of death in the slightest is very lucky (though they might as well jump off a bridge right now), but to be honest, I would probably just avoid thinking about it. It's not like I see any compelling reason to believe in an afterlife, in any case.

5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there?

If we were entirely alone in all the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe it would have some pretty profound implications. In the here and now, I'm already resigned to never communicating with or witnessing intelligent extraterrestrial life. Given that humanity can't even get things sorted among our own species, it's probably best that way. ;)




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#4 8 years ago

Great topic, I love theological discussions.

Aerilon;54164861) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?[/QUOTE] I agree with the DarkInvader, I would prefer if Time Travel never become possible. However, for the questions sake, if it did became possible, I would have nothing to do but wait until whoever is in control of it to screw us all because odds are it would happen. Too much power and responsibility in the hands of a species otherwise known to handle power and responsibility with carelessness and greediness.

Aerilon;5416486 2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God does exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?[/QUOTE] As an agnostic veering closer to atheism than a belief in a supernatural being, I would feel like my life was pre-determined, and quite frankly I would be shocked to see such a god exist. Oh, and i'd probably end up in Hell as well.

Aerilon;54164863) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.[/QUOTE] I'm rather indifferent on this question, if the Multi-verse Theory existed it would not be a huge shock to me and I really wouldn't care all that much, unless there was a way to get to this place in another Universe than it is of no help to me.

[QUOTE=Aerilon;5416486]4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?

Since I dont have set beliefs on what happens after Death, I have come up with some theories on my own, and one of these is accepting that there simply may not be an afterlife of any sort, which is rather dark, but I have come to accept to an extent. Eternal existence or life however, is something I hope is not going to happen after death. Personally, I've always been a fan of reincarnation. :anime:

[QUOTE=Aerilon;5416486]5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there?

As a believer, I would be more surprised to learn we are actually alone, rather than bothered by it. I would be left wondering what is with all that space out there being uninhabited.

[QUOTE=Aerilon;5416486]Thanks.

Your welcome. :D




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#5 8 years ago

1) Not particularly, I don't think. If I felt the reason it was denied was unfair I'd probably feel a bit left out, but to be honest, messing around with the past or future isn't exactly my idea of fun.

2b) Not really. It'd be kind of cool, I reckon. Because the distant aloof God model wouldn't exactly be relevant anymore, and I could do with a few miracles.

3) How would this make a difference? As it is, we can't go there anyway. It's not as if we're missing out on anything we should/could have had. And as with the time machine thing, I'd rather not go there anyway. I'd imagine it would be kind of dangerous.

4) Not really. I'd love to 'live on' after my body dies and rots, but I'm prepared, I think, for when my body goes and I disappear. We'll find out, I guess.

5a) No. It'd be kind of cool. Think of all the possibilities...

5b) Not really. As with the multiverse thing, it's not as if we've had any contact up until now, so it's not like we're missing out particularly. But I would be a bit disappointed that we spent all that money and BOINC time searching for what isn't there.




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#6 8 years ago

None of that would bother me because none of it would directly change the way i live my life. If time travel existed and i couldnt partake, than nothing really changed for me did it? ditto with all the other things on the list.




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#7 8 years ago
1) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?

I'd be fine. If I had nothing to do with it, then a lot of other people wouldn't either - which is good.

2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God doest exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?

No. Just because a God was proven to exist, does not mean he/she/it would adhere to what religions preach, such as going to hell for not having faith in him/her/it from Christianity's point of view.

3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.

I'd be more dissapointed that I couldn't meet other versions of myself. I would however, take comfort in the fact that whenever I look into a mirror - I am seeing straight into one of those parallel universes into the eyes of someone who's only difference to me would be handed-ness etc.

4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?

Assuming of course we'd have some proof before death, then I'm not sure. My beliefs on consciousness are too strong for me to cast an objective opinion of how I would react

5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there?

No. It means we have the entire Universe to rob of resources and drain dry, free of competition.




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#8 8 years ago
Aerilon;54164861) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?

If said time travel was limited entirely to the future, then yes I'd be disappointed. If it included the past as well, then I'd prefer that it was limited to fewer people.

2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God doest exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?

I'd be fucking surprised. I'd wager that some omniscient being wouldn't be stupid enough to make some of the decisions that I have.

3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.

I'd wish that I could use that knowledge to see how my life would have turned out had I made different decisions, but I already do that anyway.

4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?

That's what I'm hoping for, and expecting. So no.

5)

this question has two redundant parts. We can never prove that there are 'no' aliens in the universe. Intelligent or otherwise.

Either way, I would be neither surprised nor disappointed.




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#9 8 years ago

1 no 2 no 3 no 4 no 5 no.

Why would it bother some one to learn the truth !




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#10 8 years ago
jackripped;5417585Why would it bother some one to learn the truth !

:uhh:

You discover your daughter is being raped after school every day. Are you more or less bothered than when you didn't know? Facts may be neutral, our attachment to things almost universally isn't.




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