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#11 9 years ago

You discover your daughter is being raped after school every day. Are you more or less bothered than when you didn't know? Facts may be neutral, our attachment to things almost universally isn't.

S-S-S-Strawman. Well done.




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#12 9 years ago
Nemmerle;5417593:uhh: You discover your daughter is being raped after school every day. Are you more or less bothered than when you didn't know? Facts may be neutral, our attachment to things almost universally isn't.

i posed that question in the light of his questions, not what you can just make up out of your poetical mind.Your good at being a smartarse. What you say here is totally out of context. His question was ''would it bother you if '' All of his questions are science related, not family and rape related.You might as well have created a new topic... Looking at his questions, why would the truth bother anyone.




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#13 9 years ago

[INDENT]1) Time Travel was possible, but you couldn't have anything to do with it?[/INDENT]

Lack of control.

[INDENT]2) a) As a Religious Individual, it was somehow proven that God doesn't exist, nor has God ever existed? - Would you (as a Religious person) feel that life is not worth it, would your world come crashing down?[/INDENT]

Lack of leadership, absence of moral referents, wasted sacrifices, knowledge that you were gullible, having to deal with certain existential issues that you used to believe you had insurance again.

[INDENT]2) b) As an Atheist, it was somehow proven that God does exist, and has existed for a very long time? - Would you (as an atheist) feel that your entire life has been pre-determined for you?[/INDENT]

There's a largely evil omnipotent being and death is no sure escape. The chance of merry human barbecues after death has dramatically increased. Enjoy.

[INDENT]3) The Multi-verse Theory was no longer a mere theory, but was actual reality? - For everything that can happen, will (and does) happen. Somewhere, in another Universe, you'd be everything you've ever wanted, and have everything you've ever wanted, yet this wouldn't be your Universe, you couldn't go there, you'd only know about it's existence.[/INDENT]

You can't go there, there's no set of actions that makes this universe that universe in respect to the things you want. The initial conditions of your universe fucked you over.

[INDENT]4) Regardless of whether an Atheist or Religious Individual (I know some people who aren't Religious, but do still believe in some sort of 'afterlife'), would it bother you if, after Death, there was nothing?[/INDENT]

Everything you've ever loved will amount to nothing. You won't even exist. Yay! People tend to be rather attached to the concept of their own existence - and an even larger set tend to be attached to the existence of a desirable state of humanity which the concept of an afterlife might go some way towards.

[INDENT]5) a) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were real? - Some people believe that we're the only species (of such an intelligent level), and that we're all alone in the Universe. Would you be bothered, as one of these people, to find out that you were wrong, and that we were far from alone?[/INDENT]

Simple xenophobia. It's out there, it's not like us; eww, let's work out ways to kill it before it kills us.

You see anything that reaches the stars is likely to be very capable and very hostile. It's had to compete to get there, there's not much other reason. The majority of our space technology comes from trying to blow each other to shit, there's no reason to suppose that others would be different.

You get moving fast enough in space and you have the perfect first-strike weapon. So the only solution is to do unto others as they may do unto you, before they have the chance. To strike with everything at the moment of contact.

And you have to assume that they'll have come to the same conclusion, because the cost of being proven wrong is too great. If the aliens have to choose between our survival and the associated chance that we'll wipe them out on the one hand and on the other our destruction and the surety we won't... well if they're anything like us they'll choose the latter.

Species don't survive by being self-sacrificing for things outside of their peer group. The man who offers his neck to the hungry tiger, or doesn't pull the trigger on an enemy solider does not have a high chance of reproduction.

[INDENT]5) b) Would it bother you if extra-terrestrial species (aliens) were not real? - Some people believe that we are not alone in the Universe, and that there are many other planets out there, somewhere, that support other intelligent life. As a believer, would you be bothered if you were to learn that we were actually alone in the Universe, and there was no other life out there?[/INDENT]

Of course some people believe that aliens will come and save us from ourselves. They're idiots, I've never seen a good argument to that effect, but being proven wrong would doubtless be upsetting to them.

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All this is purely semantic manipulation of my earlier objection however. And in truth I suspect we'd be having this discussion, in some form or another, whichever option I'd taken. If I'd been specific you'd have played the philosopher and spoken in generalities, if I'd answered in generalities you'd have pretended to be naive and asked for specifics.

The referent however is largely arbitrary, you just have to change the nature of the man observing the scenario around. You've offered us no reason to suppose that scientific truths should have a different emotional impact than day-to-day truths, and the minute you start looking into that distinction it falls apart.




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#14 9 years ago

So in other words it doesnt bother you . lm pretty sure thats what he asked. You changing the senario is a waste of time. You made a really simple question become redonkulas, well done......




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