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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 13 years ago

Knowledge, something I consider an inalienable right of all people, to learn whatever we want, to push back the boundaries of our knowledge is, in my opinion, part of what it is to be human, a raison d'être {reason for being} that some people should embrace.

This stance however puts me into conflict with other aims I would like to see. Recently legislation proposed by the british government in the wake of the London bombings has proposed that certain types of knowledge and skills should be made a crime to learn of via the internet.

And so I come to a conflict of interest, while I would not like to see that knowledge in the hands of certain people I also think that I, (and everyone else,) are entitled to learn whatever we please.

Where to draw the line with civil liberties? For me it's fairly simple, there are some places that governments do not belong, I find it disgusting to hear of types of knowledge and learning being made a crime to receive or posses, it belongs to us not a select few.

Where do you draw the line however; should governments be able to (in their draconian manner,) be able to make it a criminal offence to learn certain things, to possess certain types of knowledge; do you trust governments to decide what is and is not legal for you to know?




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#2 13 years ago

So what they want an English version of the Patriot act now? I dont trust any governments.some less than others..




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#3 13 years ago

governments are formed by politicians. politicians are evil. no exceptions. hence, the government is evil.




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#4 13 years ago

Well if you mean things such as how to build a pipe bomb being available to learn on the net then Yeah. That kind of information should be banned. Do I trust my Govt to decide what I can learn? yes and no. I don't wear a tinfoil hat but I am a little skeptical at times.




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#5 13 years ago

Well it's like banning guns, ßeef. Besides, if we start out with this how much further is it going to go? Governments are made up of people who are hungry for power, this is giving them too much of it.




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#6 13 years ago

I wouldn't compare guns with a pipe bomb. Who uses a pipe bomb to do anything other than hurt someone on purpose?

I am on the fence on some subjects related to this. hard one.




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#7 13 years ago
NemmerleKnowledge, something I consider an inalienable right of all people, to learn whatever we want, to push back the boundaries of our knowledge is, in my opinion, part of what it is to be human, a raison d'être {reason for being} that some people should embrace.

My thoughts exactly. I draw the line at what the British government seems to be trying to do, basically.




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#8 13 years ago
ßeefI wouldn't compare guns with a pipe bomb. Who uses a pipe bomb to do anything other than hurt someone on purpose?

If you use a gun you intend to hurt someone, (either that or you've no idea what you're doing,) guns are rather difficult to use for any other purpose. The ultimate reason for the existence of a gun is to inflict physical violence upon something, now this may be in service of another ideal, self defence, whatever, but the point of the gun is to inflict violence, to hurt people. The time may come when we need to hurt people (see American war of independence, English civil war, etc.)




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#9 13 years ago

ßeefI wouldn't compare guns with a pipe bomb. Who uses a pipe bomb to do anything other than hurt someone on purpose?

I am on the fence on some subjects related to this. hard one.

There are people who build pipe-bombs just because they like loud explosions and mixing chemicals. If you ask me this is not too different from someone who likes to shoot a gun at a range although it is a bit weird to build bombs and there certainly isn't the competition aspect which you might have at shooting-ranges.

As for the topic, I basically trust my government with these matters, but I'd also disagree if they would try to stop me from learning something in which I am interested. I think that it is my right to learn about how a bomb works if I want to, there should be other ways to stop me from abusing this knowledge to actually kill people. I wonder if this makes much sense at all. Whenever you learn how something works you also have the ability to manipulate it in such a way that people die. You simply can't control all the knowledge which could possibly harm people.




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#10 13 years ago
NemmerleIf you use a gun you intend to hurt someone, (either that or you've no idea what you're doing,) guns are rather difficult to use for any other purpose.

Ever heard of practice shooting, hunting, skeet shooting? Holy Moly :eek: