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Darth_Exile

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#41 12 years ago

Something should be done about them. They should be recruited into the army or something, that way they can earn money unti they have enough to buy a house and get a good job.




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#42 12 years ago

The British army used to do that - recruit convicts and other undesirables and put them into a harsh disciplinary culture. With proper control they fought alright, and were hopefully more responsible when they left the service. That wouldn't work in the current military. We could build a Foreign Legion style force that would be able to use them, but I doubt we'll be making one of those any time soon. Though it is certainly a good idea.




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#43 12 years ago
Darth_Exile;3282983Something should be done about them. They should be recruited into the army or something, that way they can earn money unti they have enough to buy a house and get a good job.

Yeah, that's a great idea: taking away peoples' freedom because they don't have any money. I despise that idea.

Joining the military should be voluntary.




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#44 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeAnd who's fault is that? Your own.

So "over-age", poor credit and lack of work experience would be my fault? All people get older, but that doesn't say that you wouldn't be a good, healthy worker or worse than an younger one, on the contrary. Some enterprises just don't hire older people because these have a greater health risk and get sooner to retirement.

Poor credit, how that is so bad if you're able worker? And you can't get work experience in the first place if you don't get to work. To put it short, I can't see how it is "your own" fault. Not all have equal, good chances to secure their future and should the people be punished just because they made a couple of mistakes in the past or weren't as clever as some others? I don't think so. It's more about businesses' desire to maximize profits than people's own fault why getting a job isn't always so easy.




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#45 12 years ago

If you're over fifty and don't have a future... you've clearly made a mistake somewhere along the line. Its a pity that someone is in that position, but it isn't like he was a helpless flower trapped in a huge conspiracy.

Of course not everyone has equal chances, but that doesn't excuse laziness or giving up. Keep trying, and you'll probably get a job.




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#46 12 years ago
Machiavelli's ApprenticeIf you're over fifty and don't have a future... you've clearly made a mistake somewhere along the line.

...Or then you trained yourself as a metal welder, got a job, found a family, worked hard for 30 years and then got fired because of enterprise's "economic & productional reasons", even though it would make record breaking profits and hand out hefty options for stock holders.

Of course not everyone has equal chances, but that doesn't excuse laziness or giving up. Keep trying, and you'll probably get a job.

True, it's not an excuse for giving up but it's pretty damn hard to get a job when you're over 50-years old, just because it's not most profitable thing for an enterprise to hire you rather than some younger, less aware person or get a machine to do the same job.




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#47 12 years ago
Relander;3283197...Or then you trained yourself as a metal welder, got a job, found a family, worked hard for 30 years and then got fired because of enterprise's "economic & productional reasons", even though it would make record breaking profits and hand out hefty options for stock holders.

Our unemployment is 3% or less, and the vast majority of the unemployed we see do not qualify for this story of yours. Though perhaps the situation is different in your country. I can only say what things are like in the US.

True, it's not an excuse for giving up but it's pretty damn hard to get a job when you're over 50-years old, just because it's not most profitable thing for an enterprise to hire you rather than some younger, less aware person or get a machine to do the same job.

Younger people have far less experience, so actually that's incorrect. But once you do start getting into your 60s, you do want to start increasing savings in case something happens. However, many Americans don't do that, which is why fixes like this happen at all.

Anyway, this argument is off topic because a 50 year old metal worker with a family isn't going to end up on the streets.




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#48 12 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3283365Our unemployment is 3% or less, and the vast majority of the unemployed we see do not qualify for this story of yours.

Actually it's 4,6 % according to US Department of Labor but your statistic was pretty close to it. Nevertheless, I think the story of mine is somewhat universal and can be applied to many cases in the USA too in an era of globalization and enterprises moving to China & India at increasing rate. Stock holders want even bigger profit margins and under the Bush administration, the firing of people have got somewhat easier.

Younger people have far less experience, so actually that's incorrect.

Depends on the situation and what the enterprise looks for. Here the over-age is one reason why unemployed won't get hired.

Anyway, this argument is off topic because a 50 year old metal worker with a family isn't going to end up on the streets.

Agreed, propably not.




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#49 12 years ago

Machiavelli's Apprentice;3282877 If that's the case you can get government aid for your disability - and if you were smart enough to have insurance before the accident/illness you would be getting some more cash[/quote]

WTF? do you think I or anyone else WANTS to be without insurance. It doesnt have jack shit to do with being smart. I am fortunate enough to have insurance where I work now but the only reason I can is because my employers pay half of it.

Machiavelli's Apprentice;3282877 And who's fault is that? Your own.

Whats next from you? Logans run society? Everyone put to death at age 30? Thanks for your contribution to society while I was to young to contribute but now that your age 30 I dont need you arnound anymore so Frack off and die?

I didnt choose to get laid off from work and lose my job to a Fillipino immigrant willing to do my job for $6.30 hour.

I didnt choose to become unemployed at age 40. I had good credit. I had paid off a car loan without missing a payment or being late. I have a home mortgage that I had never been late on or missed. You would be suprised how quick it is to get behind on bills and bet bad credit when you have low or no income.

Try getting a job at age 40 that pays enough to pay home mortgage and minimum insurance. Screw that try just getting a interview at age 40. [QUOTE=Machiavelli's Apprentice;3282877] If you're playing a game of chess, and you lose all of your pieces except the pawn and king, even if Bobby Fisher stepped in for you you'd still lose.

And what if you hadnt lost all your pieces and your opponent was Garry Kasparov?

Or better yet lets assume you are doing good and holding your own or doing slightly better and your boss comes along and removes all your pieces but one or two.

Can yous till sit tehre and say "Its your own fault?"

You could but you and I both know it would be bullshit.

I hope you remember these conversations and your attitudes later in life when your my age and facing similar problems because let me tell you tis not gonna get better.

I do not support handouts but I do support hand ups. Im not inclined to pay peoples way but I will ask what do you need to get going?

Some of these people are mentally ill, many are also people who have lost tehir jobs then lost tehir homes and dont have family and friends to fall back on.




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#50 12 years ago

I honstly don't care about them, However when I go downtown I pack up a dosen of those cheap tweak lighters yu can get for 25 cents each, and when ever I a bum struglleing to light up a cigg with matches I through em a lighter :)