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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 3 years ago

I'm Nem, and I have a problem.

The problem isn't that I do things like this, to the asset files of the games I play: (defun hull-armour (ship) (format t "Ship Name: ~S~30T~D~%" (getf ship :name) (float (* (+ 1 (- 1 (/ 20 (+ 20 (getf ship :armour))))) (getf ship :hull))))) (mapcar #'hull-armour ships) Ship Name: INTREPID 2409.524 Ship Name: DEFIANT 2280.0 Ship Name: EXCELSIOR 2520.0 Ship Name: AKIRA 2760.0

I think anyone can be forgiven that sin. =p

That problem's the fact that Akiras are almost twice as expensive as Excelsiors - in terms of ship slots - and the measely few hundred extra effective HP of the Excelsiors as compared to Intrepids aren't worth their two extra supply cost. I'm denied a good line cruiser to match the Klingons! I had thought that the Excelsior's vastly heavier armour would have offset the basic hull strength disparity – but after getting the formula for how armour affects ship health/incoming damage, it doesn't look like it does.

Though, that said, I'm suspicious that the formula might be wrong considering that intrepid seem to last a much shorter time in a firefight. Then again, they may just be being preferentially targeted, since they have an ability that increases the damage that target takes by 15%. They don't put out quite as much firepower as the Excelsiors, but on the other hand they're still cheaper, and the way Federation firing arcs are set up in this game it makes more sense to take your ships in among the enemy. So, the fact that they're faster and more manoeuvrable is likely to mean that they have a higher effective DPS anyway since there will be more likely to be able to get in a furball and bring all their weapon arcs to bear, (even discounting the fact that they have an ability to add an effective 15% to the damage a target takes from all sources for a certain amount of time.)

The problem I have when fighting the Klingons is that the Klingon ships like to just form a firing line and sit there with their forward facing weapons blazzing away. Which ain't exactly brilliant for my static defences.

Well, that and one the particle effects one of their capital ships uses lags my computer for some reason ¬_¬




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#2 3 years ago

Nemmerle;5749105I'm Nem, and I have a problem.

The problem isn't that I do things like this, to the asset files of the games I play: (defun hull-armour (ship) (format t "Ship Name: ~S~30T~D~%" (getf ship :name) (float (* (+ 1 (- 1 (/ 20 (+ 20 (getf ship :armour))))) (getf ship :hull))))) (mapcar #'hull-armour ships) Ship Name: INTREPID 2409.524 Ship Name: DEFIANT 2280.0 Ship Name: EXCELSIOR 2520.0 Ship Name: AKIRA 2760.0 I think anyone can be forgiven that sin. =p

That problem's the fact that Akiras are almost twice as expensive as Excelsiors - in terms of ship slots - and the measely few hundred extra effective HP of the Excelsiors as compared to Intrepids aren't worth their two extra supply cost. I'm denied a good line cruiser to match the Klingons! I had thought that the Excelsior's vastly heavier armour would have offset the basic hull strength disparity – but after getting the formula for how armour affects ship health/incoming damage, it doesn't look like it does.

Though, that said, I'm suspicious that the formula might be wrong considering that intrepid seem to last a much shorter time in a firefight. Then again, they may just be being preferentially targeted, since they have an ability that increases the damage that target takes by 15%. They don't put out quite as much firepower as the Excelsiors, but on the other hand they're still cheaper, and the way Federation firing arcs are set up in this game it makes more sense to take your ships in among the enemy. So, the fact that they're faster and more manoeuvrable is likely to mean that they have a higher effective DPS anyway since there will be more likely to be able to get in a furball and bring all their weapon arcs to bear, (even discounting the fact that they have an ability to add an effective 15% to the damage a target takes from all sources for a certain amount of time.)

The problem I have when fighting the Klingons is that the Klingon ships like to just form a firing line and sit there with their forward facing weapons blazzing away. Which ain't exactly brilliant for my static defences.

Well, that and one the particle effects one of their capital ships uses lags my computer for some reason ¬_¬

In the Federation we obey Gossen's laws. The first one anyhow. Maybe the solution to your problem lies in the second?




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#3 3 years ago

Why don't you stick a ahref in there and see what happens


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#4 3 years ago

:fap: on it and pray for the best possible result.


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#5 3 years ago
MrFancypants;5749114In the Federation we obey Gossen's laws. The first one anyhow. Maybe the solution to your problem lies in the second?

Much as physicists start with, 'Assume a spherical cow with uniform milk distribution in a closed system,' economists start with, 'Assume perfect knowledge of a rational market with continuously divisible goods and services...' ;)

Of course I ought to act in such a way that the ratio of marginal utility to expenditures approaches equality across all purchases, but this leaves me none the wiser on how to do so.

(Also the demand for MOAR DAKKA isn't subject to diminishing marginal returns, even in the Federation. One will always want MOAR DAKKA.)




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#6 3 years ago

Hi Nem.


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#7 3 years ago

That's my name. Or one of them anyway. =p




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#8 3 years ago

At least I can console myself with the fact that Federation foreign policy continues to go well.

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#9 3 years ago
Nemmerle;5749183That's my name. Or one of them anyway. =p

I know all of your names! <3


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#10 3 years ago

Nemmerle;5749180Much as physicists start with, 'Assume a spherical cow with uniform milk distribution in a closed system,' economists start with, 'Assume perfect knowledge of a rational market with continuously divisible goods and services...' ;)

Of course I ought to act in such a way that the ratio of marginal utility to expenditures approaches equality across all purchases, but this leaves me none the wiser on how to do so.

(Also the demand for MOAR DAKKA isn't subject to diminishing marginal returns, even in the Federation. One will always want MOAR DAKKA.)

I think the lesson here is to simply buy the ship with the biggest bang for the Borg.




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