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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 4 years ago

16-17 ish (depends where you are) is old enough to join the army. Though odd enough still four-five years too young to drink in the states, and two years too young to drink in the UK.

Something severely fucked when you're taken to be morally responsible for shooting someone (kinda - depending on where you are it's not necessarily active duty until 18. Regardless however, enlisting in the military qualifies as a moral choice along those lines.) but not for a couple of pints. We approach death with a more cavalier attitude than we do life - or even civic responsibility as expressed in voting.

And let's not even get into the age of consent as compared to the age of criminal responsibility. Children when they have sex, criminals when they break the law. There's a logical setup for you.




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#2 4 years ago

If two forces fight, and both forces fight conservatively, then the stronger side wins. It may not be the strongest side in numbers or wealth, it may be an edge in information or tactics, but the principle remains the same whatever the source of the strength.

From this we can see that if you're weaker then your best hope is to act so as to increase chaos. Increase the variance in the potential outcomes and you might win.

This is the generalised form of the old military principle that all armies are the same size in the dark.

It's also one of the reasons why making people scared can result in violence. Their instinct to increase the variance isn't wrong if they're actually as threatened as they think they are. But it's worth bearing in mind that social violence and physical violence aren't clearly distinguished. - That, as such, you can get yourself into a lot of hot water just by being rude to someone who doesn't have the same faith in the rules as yourself.




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#3 4 years ago

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#4 4 years ago

No, no. I said increase chaos. Not Chaos.

Though Tzeentch would be more in line with the approach I just laid out I suppose :lookaround:

The Imperium's doctrines are a tad rigid sometimes.




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#5 4 years ago

Perhaps it's necessarily rigid. :/

Most people, for most of history, died in more or less the same world they were born into. They didn't have to know very much, and could gather most of what they needed through 'common wisdom.' Change represents a threat, something that will force you to expend more effort on learning. For this reason it is generally discouraged.

There will always be money in making something more accessible, in reducing the amount of learning that someone has to do to use something. That's why computers have a GUI. It's rarely the most powerful way to interact with the abilities of your machine, but it is the one that requires – for the moment – the least degree of learning. How many people even learn the shortcuts?

Any large change, true invention, is by definition hard to grasp. How much worse would that be in a society such as theirs? If it were an easy step from where you are, someone would have done it already. If you want your inventions to be commonly used, then after inventing you have to work backwards from that invention to the understanding that the common man can bring to bear.




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#6 4 years ago

And, perhaps, that's also why the Imperium is so easy to corrupt. People who worry about control look for ways to control you, naturally enough. Things they can give you that you want, things they can take from you that they want. They're looking for leverage. While it's good to avoid being in patterns that correlate with the thing that you don't want someone discovering, if you're not in any pattern they can see, they're going to know that you're hiding something. Absence of evidence is evidence of the absence provided that evidence would be expected to be found.

If they don't see a pattern, they become uncomfortable. So give them one, give them several. A vice, something they can use to control you. And it has to be real, it has to work against you when someone uses it for some low level stuff.

The key is never to let any one thing control you absolutely. They think they've got the lever screwed into the back of your head, while in reality you're holding the other end, and when they think they can screw you over, you let go. And all of a sudden they're standing there with a stupid look on their face, while you have a moment to strike before they adapt.

Thus an inability to accommodate change may ensure corruption, as a kind of defence mechanism, instead - a way of giving people something to focus on beyond a dream of a better tomorrow that they cannot deal with.




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#7 4 years ago

I'm a bit too inebriated to comprehend the point of this thread and your thoughts, so I shall just leave you with this:

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#8 4 years ago

Tickle my asshole.




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#9 4 years ago

No thanks.


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#10 4 years ago

Well, adolescents are also allowed to drive at 16, isn't that also a bit irresponsible? Schofield, I want to tickle your asshole.




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