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#1 4 years ago
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Srsly tho has anyone noticed how many times (US at least) media has been like "Russia is literally Hitler", while simultaneously ignoring the neo-nazi presence in Ukraine?

Also, Ukraine has killed ~105 people in this conflict. Russia has killed 1.

Russia isn't "the good guy" here, because well Russia, but neither is Ukraine.

This got way to srs. I'm sorry.

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#2 4 years ago

A) There are "neo-Nazis" (which seems to have become a catch-all for any right-wing nationalistic group) on both sides.

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Ukraine-zaldostano_2838619b.jpg Alexander Zaldostanov (C), nicknamed "the Surgeon", leader of a group of Russian bikers called the Night Wolves, attends a rally of pro-Russian activists waving the Russian flag, in front of the local parliament building in Simferopol, Crimea.

B) When (Russian-backed) Ukrainians are shooting at other Ukrainians, Ukrainians are likely to die.

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#3 4 years ago

Some Ukrainians who died were shot by Ukraine police (but then, maybe some of those police were pro-russia, but that starts to get a bit close to "no-true-scottsman" for my taste), but like I said, Russia isn't the good guy either. It's one giant clusterfuck

BBC News - Special police shot Kiev protesters, inquiry says

And ofc there are nn's on both sides - my point was only that US media (from what I've seen) ignores the ones on the "good" (read: pro-west) side.

Lest you continue thinking I think Russia is good (god help me if um....who's that one guy here? Mikail? Comes here and sees this thread), they're naughty too, along with Ukraine. Both should get a good spanking by the hand of idk a bear

Also Ukraine really needs to learn how the fuck to hold elections. They get a pass on this last one because it's hard to vote when your parliament (crimea's anyway) is full of people with guns

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#4 4 years ago

I think we should just nuke anything that's not part of North America or Western/Northern Europe and get on with our better lives.




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#5 4 years ago

Hell, nuke the US too. Just leave Canada and W/N Europe. They're the only places with Real Civilization (tm, xenophobes incorporated, 2014)




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#6 4 years ago

Toph;5734253Some Ukrainians who died were shot by Ukraine police, but like I said, Russia isn't the good guy either. It's one giant clusterfuck

BBC News - Special police shot Kiev protesters, inquiry says[/QUOTE]Those were the very (Russian-backed) Ukrainians I was speaking of, the police under the former president, who is in exile in Russia now.

Toph;5734253And ofc there are nn's on both sides - my point was only that US media ignores the ones on the "good" (read: pro-west) side.

Well, I would argue the term "pro-west," as they have proven themselves to be both anti-Russian and anti-EU, but see Russia as the more relevant threat and have focused their aggression. But, I understand your point.

[QUOTE=Toph;5734253]Lest you continue thinking I think Russia is good (god help me if um....who's that one guy here? Mikail? Comes here and sees this thread), they're naughty too, along with Ukraine. Both should get a good spanking by the hand of idk a bear

I never said I thought you thought Russia was good. I just get tired of these arguments over moral equivalence. Just because one side isn't perfect, and it has some extremist splinter groups who take over government buildings and barricade themselves, doesn't make them equal with Russia, who has violated the sovereignty of a sovereign nation, absorbed territory under the auspices of a dubious election and have massed an invasion force along the remainder of the border. Nothing is black and white, but it doesn't mean one side can't be good and one side can't be bad.

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#7 4 years ago

I agree, let the nukes fly. It would also solve global warming and political threads being posted in the wrong sub-forums.




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#8 4 years ago
MrFancypants;5734258I agree, let the nukes fly. It would also solve global warming and political threads being posted in the wrong sub-forums.

BUT PEOPLE WONT CHALLENGE MY BELIEFS HERE!


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#9 4 years ago
Red Menace;5734259BUT PEOPLE WONT CHALLENGE MY BELIEFS HERE!

Take it easy, I agree 100% with your position, whatever it may be!




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#10 4 years ago
Red Menace;5734259BUT PEOPLE WONT CHALLENGE MY BELIEFS HERE!

I've never understood how some people say beliefs should be kept to themselves but also seek to challenge the beliefs of others. =p