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#1 11 years ago

So, yeah, what's good and what's bad, what could've been improved and what should've been improved, and how does it stack up against the other Unreal games?

I can't comment on the gameplay yet, having only invested half an hour, but the graphical style is something receiving crits from me. It seems like it's taken a devolutionary step backwards.

Sure, it's pretty as hell, but while individual elements look great, they don't really complement each other very well. Components of maps all look like they were designed to make full use of graphical advantages, but not designed for specific purposes. Blending themes together seems to have been done as an afterthought. Everything just seems... out of place.

Of course, it seems now that the detail levels allowed by game engines has fully surpassed our ability to properly texture models/terrain/whatever, so it's mostly understandable - Photoshop can only do so much.

Player models look great though, not surprised with the amount of detail levels allowed. Considering how many polygons the game is rendering from player models alone, I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the system specs.


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#2 11 years ago

I remember the early videos showing it and I was like "OMFG, this is gotta be pre-rendered" but the videos weren't and I was just in shock it looked so good. Then when I heard about how they changed the weapons, I was like, OK but I wish they'd leave the minigun alone, but I like the dual pistols back again over that pea-shooter of an assault rifle UT2k3/2k4 had.

UT was the first game I played over 24 hours straight [And the last game that had me that addicted] and I loved it and the mods for it, Chaos UT, Tac Ops, etc.

UT2k3 is kinda hazy for me. It ran a lot better than I thought it would, I could run at highest settings possible [holy shit!] and do well in the frame rates [40-50s I think] with my old system. It was such a big step up, graphically over UT, I was just happy with that, but after I beat every level, and my favorites on Inhuman, I uninstalled it and never wanted to play it again, nor were there any mods I was interested in.

UT3 doesn't look nearly as good as I thought it would, but then again it's a beta and I give it that as a crutch. I'm kinda disappointed they didn't change some elements like the vehicles are kinda dumb, the shield tank is something I would've liked to see disappear, it was in UT2k4 as well. I think shields are just cheap and silly. Though I really like the scope of the maps and how they are part for part, more detailed than UT2k4's and the overall largeness of them really makes me stand in awe sometimes, but I know it'll become old hat soon enough.

The full game isn't out yet but I'm going to buy it. I don't really know why, I guess because it's UT3 [is that such a bad reason?], because I want to upgrade my computer for Crysis [which I think won't have the same scalability as UT3 has, the UT series has always been very compatible on a wide range of systems] and I want to see how it runs on an E6850 instead of my FX57, and with 4 gigs of DDR800 instead of 2 gigs DDR400, etc. And lastly, I want it so I can have some killer desktop images, and maybe try my hand at next-gen modding.




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#3 11 years ago

i see ut games as pure mp fun and goodness.. ut3 is cool.i think they over did the weapons..least the guns in ut04 looks more like a real gun..these gun skins are too space man looking and i think they messed up my favorite gun the flack cannon.. ut was never meant to play or feel like stalker..and i prefer ut over quake games..ut04 was/is my favorite mp game..soon as i buy ut3 get some new maps and play sp part..my guess is ut3 will be my favorite.. i played my first mp ut3 games yeasterday..and winning from my 2nd game on.. its just facts some people will prefer stalker or fear and bf2..ut is what it is fast moving.. pretty and too the point a fps.. you do not need a lot of brains..you do need some gaming skills..fast eye hand etc.. im sure we all can find things we do not like or want to change..i just hope ut3 is not hacked to death like ut04 is..thats all i ask..do something to stop the cheaters..few are honest playing ut04 its just the facts..and the reason i stopped playing it..to tell ya the truth..the cheating and lying in ut04 makes me never want to buy epic or ut again period and i still might not buy it..folks have been using zelios type hack junk since ut 04 was sold and first played on line..now most every 1 uses it..its on every server.. few folks are honest..so i stopped playing the game months ago.. it works great on my older hardware..the demo plays better then stalker ever will.so im happy so far have fun see ya

i gave up on up grading just to play a game..in the old days when hard ware took more time to develop and maybe you got a few good mobos in a year and a few good bios updates etc..it normally took 8 months and then you had a great lil system for its time.. now new hardware mobos dual core cpu's and vid cards what ever come out with whole new standards changing all most every other month..but bios fixes are still as if 3 years ago..but most support is drooped on anything you have bought in the last year in a half in 3 months..and if you got no bios fixes in that short time..well you may never get your high dollar garbage to ever work as advertised.. its the whole pc world..games soft ware and hard ware..the last 2 years have been mostly high dollar poor working junk..look at vista.and all the problems with dual core cpu's..its sickening..and folks still support and buy computer stuff..in re turn these computer companies know full well they can cheat us..make promises they will never complete..and say well its cutting edge it will be bugs..well thats bull and NO other Industry can freely cheat lie and sell us broken garbage..its just not right.. i do not like the cheating of ut04 but its a great game..none play better and no 2 or 3 games together have all the content and modes or maps that ut04 does period..if ut3 has half the maps ut04 does i will be happy..epic has did a great job as to quality in the past..and as said even the demo out the box works great so..i think ut3 will be a great game and with patches etc.. only hackers and cheaters will mess up ut3..stop them low life cheaters..ut3 will be of the greats.. have fun..see ya




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#4 11 years ago

Mostly technical criticsms but I thought that if I can run it even on my stone age of a machine, then I should count my blessings.

1. Even though I have a high end graphics card (X1900XTX 512mb Radeon), 1gb of ram and enough harddrive space, it still runs horribly on my PC because I am only using a pentium 4 3.06ghz processor.

2. Unable to give a email address. If you press the '@' key, it brings down the console so I am only able to put in the first bit of my email when registering.

3. Like I said before, high end graphics card. But a hell of alot of jaggies and it takes about 10 mintues for textures to fully load.

4. Even with all of the above, framerate is choppy as hell.

Its a brilliant game and I thank Epic for spending so much time and effort on it. But until I make some serious hardware updates, I wont be buying the PC version. However, on the XBOX 360?!? I will own alot of people!




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#5 11 years ago

um..smeg your 3 gig cpu should be fine..your weak link is having only i gig of system memory and using a ati vid card..ha ha.. na your vid card should be fine to play any games out..ati has to get good drivers..but unless you are playing an old school game..1 gig of memory is not enough period..any gamer should know that.. and you should have that memory as fast as posible cl2 if possible.. if over clocking and gaming id keep to no more then cl2.5 and use a 2gig kit..it will work better then 4 dimms all so note: your p4 i guess is hyper threading..logically it thinks it has a dual core cpu..and they seem to do a better job then true dual cores at playing games..up grade your memory.. your system should be fine for a while yet.. i hate to say but..ati is a good card and better at some games then nvid..but nvid is a industry standard..most games are made to work with nvid cards and its latest drivers..thus the way it should be played..ati has to work out its own driver problems..ati has more problems across the board playing the wide variety of games out for pc..its just the facts.. i like and use both vid cards..some games perfer or perform better with either or..its just the facts.. sad thing is ati updates its drivers every month and still tons of problems..nvid might update drivers once a year.. best of luck to ya..

people may not know but..intel..sound blaster and nvid are the industry standards by default..not that its better..its just a base to start from.. people forget that it seems and will fan boy anything.. a multi media game machine should run the most fast memory timmings..cl3 or more high stuff is more for a cad type machine or over clocking but even then the rules are all ways the same..cl2 is faster then cl3..cl3 has more memory bandwidth.. amd am2 can not run cl2 as best i understand c2d can...its same old school as today..tho many say you do not notice.. facts are facts..if a game machine..the faster the better..and no new machine or better connection speed can make up for poor skills..the only instant skills fix is a hack period.. i stomp all my abit mobo friends butts in ut04..they will buy new everything tomorrow get new faster connection..i stomp them tomorrow too..practice..perfect practice makes perfect..or use a hack and be a girl type.. in fact you can take a guy with skills and on a p3 and dial up and stomp a dude on a most new system and 20gig cpu and 3 vid cards..its just facts.. 1 more trick of the gaming trade..you buy your high end stuff run res so high..ya its pretty eye candy and best for sp games..if playing the same game mp and if you want to compete..you adjust down your vid card settings so your machine has the most fast performance..you are playing to win..each tinny lil bit you can gain in performance helps..even if you think you do not notice..faster is faster and facts are facts.. see ya

from charts..i guess my vid card performs very low..but it plays and looks pretty good and im winning so..i still need to make some adjustments..and if mp i should lower my vid card settings..but i just got the demo 2 days a go so.. i think retail and tweak guide..i can make it perform better..later i will get a 88gtx or 640mb card..i will be good to go.. i wont to win win win..practice and win win win!..i play honest game and i hate a girl like hack cheater period! not many people can put in the hours i do playing..i can play my favorite game 15 hours a day or more 365 days a year..so its hard to beat that.. ha ha i will normally pick only 1 or 2 servers to play on and maybe play just 1 map over and over 3 games in a hour 15 hours a day..so.. how many times do ya think i have played ut04 rankin tdm..thousands and thousands of times..the 1 map and skills follow me on any map i play..even if i never played it be for..i hate some of them maps its few guns and far apart..if i dont know the map..i cant find guns to play with..i get flustered and leave.. see ya

1 more thing about hard ware or game play..even the very most new and best hardware..or if playing mp and you adjust back your vid settings..well the only advantages is in nano seconds..even when upgrading hardware to new next best thing..its only nano seconds fast maybe then that was be for..now going from a p3 to a new system today ya is a large step but.. say playing ut..even the very best of systems at best is nano seconds better..a player might see or react and move a split sec be for you can..but.. any players you see with super any thing.. speed what ever and all other players are not the same..well its not a system..its not skills or connection speed..its a freaken hack period..i just get a laugh or leave a game in ut04 and..some fool is super fast and aim more fast then all other players..he says its cause he has a dual core cpu..ha ha what a joke.. ya more like zelios elf garbage.. the lock on and tracking aimbot works great with the speed hack and radar like is in mutant..im freaken sick of it..ha ha i get a better laugh when the hack girls is getting his butt handed to him..and he is turning up his speed hack all game..his player gets faster and faster.and some times you can notice if they stand still..his player looks all juiced up kind of spastic even twitching..gees i hate them freaken hack girls..so that means i do not like many who play ut04..its a shame..its 1 of the very best games and cheated so bad.. fact is..the speed hack is the 1 and only thing the hackers can not lie about..you can see it as plain as day..and they get a boost for the weekend..say friday on..the same players you play all week..come friday his player is way faster..and no good hacker girl would use his speed hack and not use his lock on and tracking aim bot and maybe radar too..and oh ya..did i say they can make adjustments on the fly while playing and can change his ammo health and adrin too..ya i freaken hate them hack girls..they should be jailed.. please epic..do not let hacker girls mess up ut3 my money will be wasted..




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#6 11 years ago

im still in the air if i will buy ut3.. its player movement and weapons are nothing like ut04..ut3 seems more like a glorified quake game..more arcade like..and is why i never liked quake mp.. any way..i will not post again..this is a forum..i try and be friendly..ya i type alot..can not put it all in 1 post..so they put them all together..it reads stupid after that..sorry i can not speak all i have to say in 1 word or line.. and you can not edit after 30 minutes id rather just delete all of it..see ya:rolleyes:




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#7 11 years ago

I DLed the beta 3 days back but was worried about performance and I didn't install it right away but I did last night and I must say I am very impressed. I was able to run it on maxed resolution, 1600x1200, and it was very pretty. The high-res textures really pop and I dig the gothic remix architecture, it's very distinctive but could become repetitive quickly.

A few things I disliked though: 1. Minigun is fucked up. Normal fire is slow and the final spin up, isn't spitting out the rounds very quickly. It's gimped. I'll mod that to shoot more rounds when the game comes out. Secondary fire is also messed up: it shoots really slowly, though more powerful shots, and even though it looks inaccurate, it's not. I wished they'd just keep the old firing habits of the UT minigun: primary fire is fast and kinda inaccurate, secondary fire is super fast and quite inaccurate. The minigun was my favorite weapon and they messed it up.

2. Pistols are ok if you get duals, but one is very hard to get kills with even though it's powerful: you can kill someone with 3 well-placed shots. The secondary fire is useless, the burst is too short, and it's inaccurate. Duals rock, but I found it hard to get two at once.

3. Redeemer is gimped. I hated the fact you were able to shoot it down with a fucking pea-shooter assault rifle in ut2k3/4. It looks like a portable nuke, the UT3 one, and I shot one successfully but the radius looked pretty puny. The redeemer should fuck up vehicles and kill any nearby players. It looks underpowered, a lot.

4. Double jump is weak, can't jump as high, often times you can't double jump at all. Maybe it's a bug with my version or something, but sometimes I was able to double jump and sometimes I wasn't. The power boots are cool but not that useful, imo, good for escaping battle perhaps.

I was really blown away by the graphics and how I was able to get playable FPS, like 50 to over 60 [very nice], and the way you moved a lot faster as a character, the heavy grunge sounds of your boots walking, the angry weapons sounds, and the overall gothic theme they had applied to everything. The vistas in the Vehicle-CTF map were very cool and it kicked ass to snipe with your rifle the other base with the UDamage going, shooting from behind cover on the top of the bridge. That level is simply vertically huge and it makes up the lack of horizontal ground. Not that the map is small but it's vertically quite high and that distracts you from the short distance between Red and Blue.

The bots were very good [forgot my login info for the online mode so I never played online], on average they were good and Godlike is huge challenge, but very rewarding; you really have to work hard for each kill.

Overall I was very surprised with how good the game is [even though it's beta, and I know a lot could change up till the release of the full game], and even though I have weapon gripes, those could easily be modded to my satisfaction. The beta was ten times more fun than the Crysis beta, which I thought was badly rushed. This beta gets a 10/10.




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#8 11 years ago

Here's my complaint: Where's the goddamn ripper or whatever it was called in the Original Unreal Tournament?




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#9 11 years ago

I hate how slow the projectiles move now compared to the speed of players and vehicles. With the rocket launcher you either have to be very close, or lead by a ridiculous amount. Hell I find it hard to even use the link gun's main fire mode beyond where the secondary would be more useful.

And as for the Flak gun, I think they need to add in more projectiles per shot and reduce the damage per projectile so it is still an instagib up close, but you have a better chance of landing a hit from distance.

I also fully agree with n88ter about the pistols, just give me the originals and I'll be fine.




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#10 11 years ago

Who_Flung_Poo?;3985254I hate how slow the projectiles move now compared to the speed of players and vehicles. With the rocket launcher you either have to be very close, or lead by a ridiculous amount. Hell I find it hard to even use the link gun's main fire mode beyond where the secondary would be more useful.

And as for the Flak gun, I think they need to add in more projectiles per shot and reduce the damage per projectile so it is still an instagib up close, but you have a better chance of landing a hit from distance.

I also fully agree with n88ter about the pistols, just give me the originals and I'll be fine.

they may be slightly slower, but not super noticeable. Also, with that change they seemed to have greatly improved it's auto locking ability. I can highlight a target for only about a second before I hear the ding, compared to about 4-5 in UT2k4

The sniper rifle is improved as well. They removed the smoke it caused and increased the rate of fire. It also seems easier to get a headshot.

The radius of the redeemer doesn't look any smaller. Remember the maps are a bit bigger so the contrast is probably throwing of your view of it. I do agree though it's far too easy to render the redeemer ineffective now. I would love it if when you shot it, it's like a plane crash. It comes in and if you're in it's path it just mows you down like a high explosive charge.


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