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#21 13 years ago

well put old school is out. Time for a new generation. Back then it was 100% blood and guts. Things were made for individual interpretation for themselves anyways. The sister's could be made anyway you wished and left a open door. I viewed the sister's as a diamond in the rough of a all male gay thing of being nothing but guy's. That's why I also liked the Space Amazon's that carried whatever they captured from unfortunates that fell victim to there ever ending quest for resources.




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#22 10 years ago

Sorry for Ressurecting a very old Thread...

But This has got me FAscinated.. its now 2010..

I have done a fair bit of research into adeptus astartes and the sisters of battle (adepta sororita) (or how ever its said)

and find it amusing that so many people have said "NO, YOU CANNOT HAVE FEMALE SPACEMARINES." It seems to me to be a rather ill-educated to even say such a ludicrous thing.

Gene-seed not stable in females because it came from a man (The Emperor)? What utter bollocks.. Regardless of how the entire premiss works its simple that at that sort of genetic level it would be fine in a male or a female..

In Fact once upon a time i seem to recall something that stated that due to the mutation, Males died at birth leaving only the Females in the chapter....(Although this was about 15 years ago, and My senile memory is starting to fade.)

it would have been fine in any edition, there is no evidence to say other wise.




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#23 10 years ago

I recommend you take a look at the index astartes (which unless I'm mistaken is counted as top tier canon) which actually the changes associated with implanting geneseed. There's a pretty strong implication that the change to a marine is mainly based on two steps. In one the x-chromosome is changed to a z one and likewise this happens later to the y-chromosome. The important thing is, that the existance of two different chromosomes leads to a certain stop or halt and allows necessary changes to take place.

A female with no y-chromosomes would not survive the process.

Of course there's completely nothing stopping you from having female space marines as long as you can explain it in the fluff. For instance slaneesh or tzeentzh are pretty good long lasting explanations of why there could be female space marines. Another good choice for explaining them would be Fabious Bile and his experiments on marine geneseed.

Likewise you could have an imperial aproach - have a "chapter" of pseudo marines which have undergone genetic conditioning, various implantations and what not which give them marine like abilities and looks. These approaches are completely fine and usually no one would have a problem with them.

Of course even if there were female space marines I think we can safely say that we'd have no way of knowing. Since they'd look exactly the same as the men.




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#24 10 years ago

Jonny_Quality;5292660Sorry for Ressurecting a very old Thread...[/QUOTE]

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Jonny_Quality;5292660.. its now 2010..[/QUOTE]

For this thread it was 2007 ... it was happy asleep.

Jonny_Quality;5292660I have done a fair bit of research into adeptus astartes and the sisters of battle (adepta sororita) (or how ever its said)

Apparently not enough

[QUOTE=Jonny_Quality;5292660]and find it amusing that so many people have said "NO, YOU CANNOT HAVE FEMALE SPACEMARINES." It seems to me to be a rather ill-educated to even say such a ludicrous thing.

Gene-seed not stable in females because it came from a man (The Emperor)? What utter bollocks.. Regardless of how the entire premiss works its simple that at that sort of genetic level it would be fine in a male or a female..

In Fact once upon a time i seem to recall something that stated that due to the mutation, Males died at birth leaving only the Females in the chapter....(Although this was about 15 years ago, and My senile memory is starting to fade.)

it would have been fine in any edition, there is no evidence to say other wise.

Please refer to GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Space Marines : Creation of A Space Marine from GW's older, if not more comprehensive website. Most specifically the part that says:

These considerations mean that only a small proportion of people can become Space Marines. They must be male because zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types, hence the need for tissue compatibility tests and psychological screening. If these tests prove successful, a candidate becomes a neophyte.

[QUOTE=Junk angel;5293423]I recommend you take a look at the index astartes

As Angel mentions, the Index Astartes articles are the most important source for fluff of this nature and this article comes from Index Astartes I. Also White Dwarf issue 98 confirms the above http://www.gamehobby.net/white_dwarf_magazine/white_dwarf_098.html

In earlier fluff, as far as I remember, it stated that during the Emperors early genetic experiments it was discovered that the hypnotherapy process required could not reprogram the female mind sufficiently and all further genetic processes were designed for males because of this. Although I cannot find a hard source for this unlike the above, so could have been fanfic.

There is nothing wrong with fielding a female space marine army as long as you don't mind it ever being taken as a factual army. If you did have one and went gaming with it, although cool, you would have the diehards screaming 'that's not fluffy'.