this applies for all the DOW games: II, WA, DC, SS and the original.
but in truth, after the disapointment that was DOW: II, i think the community as a whole has lost faith in that game and moved on, even with the new DOW II expansion comming out in March, their are hardly any threads going these days. Attempts at making some events or tournaments happen have seemed insufficent to restart the apriciation for this game.
Yet having said that, i see 28 guests hovering around this section of the forum, and DOW Files can probably boast to have one of the biggest comunity network wide. So why don't i see more threads in this section?
I was considering attemtping to revive the DOW tournaments in a new format but due to the lack of activity i now see before me i don't feel as motivated to do so.
so, what are your thoughts? Has DOW had its time, is it time to move on? or have you meerly forgotten about it and are waiting for something to spark your love of the franchise into life once more
Cheers, Ruley (sergent_killa)
I see your point, that the 'craze' for DoW seems to be over. But as far as I'm concerned I still love the game. I have a long list of scenarios that I hope to make, and, while it is unfortunate that less may get a chance to play them I'm sure there will always be a few. It also seems that every day a few new gamers get into it for the first time. A bit back there was a news item about a feature-length movie based on the W40K universe, "Ultramarine" I think it was to be called, and if that comes out (and is any good) it could really put a spark back into things.
One last thought, the activity on FileFront is only a small portion of how much is going on since so many other gaming sites have their own DoW communities. Granted, there hardly is a site to compare with DoWFiles, since we have our one PoD and everything, but if you add all the other sites together you really do come up with something. I wish there were a way to bring them all closer together, then you really would have something!
I've kinda lost the DoW spark... I still think it's a good game, but I won't go out of my way to play it when I've got other temptations like COD 6 and Assassin's Creed II. This goes up to the point that I didn't install it on my new PC until about 6 months after I got it. Hmm...
Still a fantastic game, but every DoW has it's day.
Honestly though, I've played the game since it's release and every expansion, apart from WA, religiously. For along time it was the only game I ever played. But as Castellan Steele points out there are new and better games out now.
The DoW community seems to have taken a hit since DoW2 came out, with the hardcore faithful sticking to vanilla and the the others moving to the second installment and I think that even some of those were a little let down by what it offered and abandoned the franchise.
I tried to enjoy DoW2 but it has lost it's feel, it's just not as fun or as personal any more in my opinion.
As friends have moved on from it as well it's not the same. Gone are the times of seeing my friends list full up and lots of people to game with, which is one of the reasons I don't play anymore. You tend to get stuck in games where you play with guys who do still play as a team, against you and a bunch of randoms.
I think Soulstorm didn't help either. I think so many people, including myself, were expecting it to be a smoothish release, I mean it was the 4th installment how many tries do they need to get it right ;), but it was a terrible experience and even now there are still issues. The introduction of fliers and the bugs and the slow patch really did it for me. If I do have a random game, it's Dark Crusade or even Vanilla, which is by far my favorite one.
I still love it and it has a place in my heart, but the glory days of DoW are over, rest well sweet friend, your game box shall forever remain on my shelf.
I personnaly loved Dawn of War 2. THe reason why it is less popular is because a huge amount cannot play it while it is looking good; they don't have the computers for it and then get pissed-off.
It's a good game tough. The campaign is better then those of DC and SS, the multiplayer has more players and is also more challenging, and against the AI on expert can be quite enjoyable to. Not to mention there are mods for dawn of war 2, I recommend the codex mod, makes it a little more dawn of war-isch and exploits the good parts of the game.
No, the dow1 series is over. The future lies in dow2, and for that people need better pc's unfortunatly. Ore take time to get used to it. I hated it at first, but playing it more and more and focussing on the races you can actual win with increases the fun. Curently the game is very well balanced for the Orks and Eldar, Tyranids are harder and Space Marines have been nerfed to hell. I hope the patch included in Chaos Rising is going to fix that. Also Chaos Space Marines :)
Everyone has their opinion, but I think DoW1 is going to live on a lot longer simply because it is so mod friendly. Sure, the initial flame of enthusiasm has passed, but as the cost of the games continues to drop more people buy it and get involved in the community. You can tell that these folks are not die-hard W40K fans or hard core gamers, but they do like strategy games and some of them wind up making some real contributions to the community. In a lot of ways I fit into this category since I had never heard of it until I played Dawn of War vanilla, about the time Winter Assault came out. I've generally been a year or two behind in buying the expansions, I have a family to feed and can't easily pay $40 for a game!
Really, look at the amazing toolset that exists for DoW1 in Relic Tools and Corsix. Literally thousands of mods were posted on Filefront, how many more were made? For me the greatest enticement has been imagining, "I wish there was a map with a layout like so... I'll make it!" Or, "If only my favorite race I could..." or "I'd like to use two races at one time..." - "I'll do it!" I think that this lack of modding support has been the most serious drawback to the ongoing interest in DoW2 since only experts have really been successful with it, but perhaps the next expansion will correct that. If it does, I could imagine a resurgence of interest as so many more are getting into it and the "old timers" may want to relive their memories in the glory of the upgraded graphics and enhanced gameplay. No, I wouldn't sound the funeral taps so soon on W40K.
To be honest the DOWII playarbase is still far bigger than the combined dow 1 as it is right now. The main difference though is, that while the automatches were used by the minority of the dow1 playarbase they are almost exclusively used in dow 2. (and last stand which is still played a lot)
The absence of a lobby and almost no custom games make dow II feel a bit empty at first sight, but considering you get a large game going at under a minute this absence is as it seems.
As to dow 1 Vanilla and WA are more or less dead, with the playerbase between DC and Ss being more or less the same.
All the dawn of war games will hold a special place in my heart, soulstorm by a little though...
but yeah, it does seem DOW has lost its spark even with chaos rising on the horizon. I personally dont think DOWII was a disapointment, it just became a completely different game of its own. which is kind of sad because what I loved most about DOW was getting a large army and just having them beat the utter crap out of each other especially in mellee.
in DOWII while tactically its cool, but visually the combat isn't as gory or as spectacular since the units mellee moves are redicously fast and the lack of sync kills makes it boring.
When DoW II launched, the community was pretty much split in half, one half accepted it, the other didn't. Sure the game innovated, but it took out a lot of things that made Dawn of War unique and fun and replaced it with RPG elements, this lead a lot of players frustrated with all changes they were not familiar with and simply blammed it. Having no mod support didn't help either; pretty much a major factor that helped DoW live this long was because of all the mods released for it; so for a site like DoWfiles that relies on mod support for games for it to get traffic, it really killed it. Slowly though, with updated being added to the game, the player base has risen over time and especially with Chaos Rising coming out many will come back to play the game or attract newer fans.
I myself, was disappointed with DoW II's launch, but recently with all these updates and Chaos Rising coming out, the game has been totally changed so there is a good chance that I will get on the DoW II wagon.