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#1 16 years ago

The New Player By: The Old Player To Epic, the various websites, and my fellow gamers:

First, if you are new to online gaming, you are not yet a fellow gamer, and will most likely become another victim of the market. I will hope for you to rise above.

By the time the Original Unreal Tournament arrived, online gaming was old to me. It was in UT and in Q3 that I saw the first signs of what was to come. Things like aimbots were not new, but now we saw them in mass! Soon they were everywhere, made even easier as the more educated began exploiting known issues in UT that Epic flatly ignored.

I am only one of a few players that I know that is still here, and not because I have no life, no job, no friends, no self respect…whatever, and because this is my only outlet for all of my vengeance towards life and humanity. I am still here because I “enjoy playing.” It is “fun” for me; it is entertainment. Also, being competitive, I like to win. However, I do not mind being beaten by the better player.

Now, in our story, with the help of UTPure and several other tools, we were able to keep just ahead of the botters. Then, the next phase began; this was where admins stopped updating to the latest…allowing their team-mates to cheat. They even began supporting and protecting them in doing so. Then more and more, the latest batch of crying, whining ‘what ever the hell comes after the GenY types’, who were there because they had no life, no job, no friends, no self respect…whatever, and because this was there only outlet for all of their vengeance towards life and humanity…they began to show up.

They came complete with the new, now rampant “Winning isn’t everything…it’s the only thing!” attitude that drives these sorry souls to do everything from just becoming complete jerks to botting. They are those players that you can now find on virtually any UT2003 server, with nothing better to do than to do their best to make everyone else in the server miserable. They’re behavior is often worse than their language.

They can smell their own, too. When you go into the server you’ll notice that although they aren’t all of the same clan, they stay together, and will not stray even to balance the teams. They aren’t there because they enjoy the game, or even competition. They are only there to win; beating others is all that they crave. It is all that they understand. If they were a clan warming up for a ladder match, it would make sense.

Oddly enough, you can still find some great players that are there because they enjoy it. But you can’t find many in UT2003. Nope, in spite of the efforts by Epic, etc. to kill off the original UT, that’s where you’ll find them. Great players like Daos from the HiT clan that would rip you a new ass, then give you encouragement, and tell you how much he enjoyed “playing” against you. He was, by the way, the world CTF champion when Epic killed the UT world stats, and did it without the attitude.

This is only one of several reasons that I’m considering giving up multiplayer, online gaming. In my next post, I’ll give you the skinny on UT2003 servers.




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#2 16 years ago

Nice post, even if the future you paint does seem a tad bleak. I'm sorry to say I have to agree your every word. I've been on-line gaming since Quake 1 and noticed how the class of cheater has progressed in line with the class of technology available to them. Quake 1 had the "dreaded" pak3 cheat which was severely frowned upon and with the advent of aim-bots etc its staedily got worse. Sadly long before computer gaming cheating was rampant in many games. As a kid I remember a very frantic and challenging game of hide and seek which was brought to a swift end when the guy who was "on" decided not to count 100 and came looking for us all after a count of 50! (and he counted fast too!) The difference with that though is that we knew who the cheater was and how he had cheated and we gave him a good kicking for doing so! With on-line cheating you cant do that. You can only hope that he gets kicked by admin, which is the main point you are making. Admin need to address the cheating issues before gamers like you or I get too despondant and stick to Lan gaming. Unfortunately this will only come at a cost:(

Stick it out buddy, we need all the true players we can get.

Regards, Eckie




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#3 16 years ago

hopefully a multiplayer game like UT is released so I can convince redm to setup a filefront game server.


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#4 16 years ago

:)


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#5 16 years ago

I must confess that I really didn't expect to see anything but negative responses to that post, and I am genuinely happy to see that there are some old time gamers that are aware and even care.

I hope that we see more new, younger players seeing the light. I fear that the only thing that will truly fix anything is for a high enough number of players to adopt the olympic spirit (so to speak).

I was in an (original) UT server about 2 1/2 years ago when I had the great displeasure of absolutely (behindview) identifying a botter. By the time I left as a spectator, and rejoined the server, everyone on BOTH TEAMS was chatting about HIM, and then everyone in the server, including his team mates, began a non-stop assault on the botter till he finally left the server. It made me proud of us all.

Also in UT2003, we have another problem player. He's not a noobe, but he is. Often, they are incredibly talented players..young, with all of that champion desire I had. The first thing wrong is that through ignorance, they accept certain types of cheating. Secondly, and far more serious a problem are the new players with the attitude that if he can get away with it, more power to him. An even worse off-shoot of this one is the, "If he's my bud, then whatever he does is cool, and he is beyond reproach from any direction."

Experienced gamers who have seen all of this crap long ago and recognize it in the new and improved form, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE NEW GENERATION THAT NOT ALL LAGGING IS JUST DUE TO A POOR, HONEST, UNFORTUNATE SOUL WITH A BAD CONNECTION! Also, if you can, try and get them to understand how 'professional' lagging helps them and does NOT hinder them!

The new generation never seems to notice that in a server where everyone is pinging a 54 - 110, the one guy with a ping ranging from 180 - 245 (seem to be their sweet spot) is always running the flag! Do they not notice that it never seems to hurt this players shot much? Out of ignorance, they think the lagger is a much better player than he is, and they are sharing their glory, their labor with these losers!

While they are out there, there really isn't too much aim-botting going on in UT2003, but my God, I see between 1 - 4 of these laggers a night when I play. First, I notice that no one seems to be able to hit them when they're running, and then I notice that they're always running the freakin flag! Hit F1, and sure a shit, a 183 ping. Funny, but no one else in the server is over 110, and all of us on high speed are in the 30s, 40s and 50s. I verified my example of a 110 ping as being on what he described as a 'totally tweaked out, ass kicking dial-up'. Okay.

Anyway, with a 180+ ping, a decent shot, no trouble hitting anyone else, and being almost impossible to hit (except for straight on), he's the flag man..their hero. And they have no idea that he isn't one of them.

Fragman{MOK} and an {EIG} player come in and run the hell out of the flag...neither with a ping over 50. They both get killed more than the guy that shames us all. P

ointing out his lagging to the server gets sympathy towards him! They all start bitching because it gets pointed out. They don't know, and I for one...I guess that I wish I didn't know either. After all, it has been said that ignorance is bliss...

Thank you for your time and for the replies.




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#6 16 years ago

It's basicly this, there are people out there who cheat, but not everyone does. Not playing UT or UT2003 I can't know what kind of problems you have, but the JK2 comunity faces the same problem in a difrent form, people who chat kill or break server rules. Basicly, find a good server with a admin on most of the time, and play there. I can see where this is coming from, but don't give up playing online just because there are jerks out there, if you do then they have already won.