Nice comments, sorry for the delay.....my pc crashed and a hole ton of other bs has been happening and i forgot the forums for a bit :lol:
NEW TOPIC: What do you think of War, in general or specific....do u think it can be avoided totally, and do u think valor is only a fueler of the evil side of the good and evil cycle. To make it simple......is war worth the consiquences, examples, and explinations will be good, lol thx.
Better men than I have debated this subject for eons. I once did a thesis on it for an English project back in the days when acne was beginning to be a problem, my hair was waaay too long, and girls were less of a mystery to me.
I wont go into the great detail I did back then (over 40 pages!!!) but I came up with these thoughts...
War is terrible. People get killed, shit gets blown up and lives are changed - not always for good and not always for bad.
War IS necessary, when all diplomatic paths have been exhausted. How long can a nation "turn the other cheek" when whilst in the middle of negotiations there lands are being invaded. The UK had been in talks with Argentina for years regarding the Falkland Islands. Wrongly, the Argies INVADED. We continued talks for many days after the invasion. Eventually action had to be taken. This was NOT a war in my opinion. It was forced re-capture of sovereign territory. We did not attack Argentina. THAT would have been a war. But it was a means to an end, and negotiations are STILL ongoing.
BY the way, that analogy was not in my thesis, but it serves a purpose. Had say Cuba sided with Argentina, then things would have escalated. Undoubtedly USA would go against Cuba - China and USSR would go against USA and THEN you would have a war. A war that would not serve it's original mandate - a war that would be WRONG.
Provided the war serves it's intended purpose, the dispute is resolved - then it is Just.
Both world wars were Just wars. Can you imagine a world after ****** had won? He didn't want to stop at the conquering of Europe. Nor did he just want German world rule. He had other agendas - pure German blood. That's why the Jews were exterminated, and it wouldn't have stopped there. Skin and hair color would be cleansed, defects and abnormalities (such as poor eyesight!). The MASTER race would prevail. Great eh?
I could site more examples of Just wars (but my fingers are getting cramp) so I'll finish with another thought from my thesis.
Imagine a world where there had never been a need for war. Or rather where wars were not permitted. Violence was not permitted, and everyone adherred to those rules. What would it be like? Utopia or hell? TV would be boring. No game shows (they promote competitive behavior). No competitive sport, Football, soccer, rugby, there's loads. Imagine the film industry - I can't bear to! Your X-box console would being throwing Hang-man polygons round with ease 'cos that's the only type of game allowed (but the name would have to change - you'd probably have to build a church instead of gallows.) Oops - no religion. Or there would be only one - based on scientific facts and not books passed down through the generations. Think about it - religion has been at the root of almost, if not every war.
I believe war is inevitable, necessary and a final tool in the world we live. A world which has been built on the feudal nature of man and a world in which most free people enjoy living. Freedom has come to ALL of us at a price. You have to ask what sort of freedom you want though, freedom to live or freedom to conquer?
And WTF can't I say H i t l e r ?????????????:mad: Without doctoring it! If we don't say his name does this mean he never exhisted? It's a good job he wasn't called "And" or something usefull, cos these forums would become pretty useless!!!!!!!:mad:
Ya i know, and cuss words arnt bleeped out. hmm thats strange. Ok, how about this........... New topic: What should or should not be censored, whether it be here or in real life or where-ever. Plz explain.
4th August 2002
The problem is with censoring, that ppl can abuse names or whatever if they're not censored, while other ppl (like Eckie) just want to use the name to explain something. Words like f u c k should be censored, I think it is not appropriate to use 'em (sorry I had to use it for an example). But maybe you could consider if you can use names like Hit-ler, but like I said, ppl can abuse the name in their posts... So I think it's up to the admin to decide wether some names or words can be uses or not. (they do it already...) So it's too bad for ppl who have no bad intensions with using those names like H*tler....
It's just something we have to agree and live with,
I think if the word Hit-ler really afends ppl, they just dont need to read anything that might relate to that name... If it affects them that much, DONT READ/DO ANYTHING THAT MAY BE REALATED TO THAT SUBJECT!I see no reason to censor that name.Although I can see why you may censor the word FU*K.On the other hand, I feel that you guys are like my family (on computers/this forum site), and it makes me feel to where I'm not really in public, that I'm just sitting around the house just talking and not even paying attention to what i say.
Thats just my oppinian:o ;)
Not wanting to escalate the censorship debate by moving on to film & TV (cos I could write all day:agreed: ) I'll just add my ha'pence worth.
As far as these forums go if words like F*CK and C*NT and (God forbid) H I T L E R are censored, then why have i just been able to convey their meaning to you all just now. Anyone offended by such words must now be cowering in a corner after switching off their pc's in disgust.
True censorship is the removal of offensive material from the view of those people that the censor feels may be offended.
In this case the censor is the admin/owner of the forums - who by the way is doing a lousy job of censoring these so called offensive words.
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the people using these forums are all quite happy with a few choice expletives being used - and provided they are not used to abuse another member, cause no offence.
If the issue of children using these forums and being offended is the case then don't make me laugh. Have you been in a junior school playground lately? They know more swear words than I do!
Now, if you want to move on to censoring sexual content, then THAT is a different matter and children need to be protected.
I TOTALLY AGREE! I'm 12 and I can cuss not even reolizing it(dont get me wrong, I am trying to stop).Yeah, about the sexual content, I'd rather not be exposed to it as much now.(Does this mean that we're going to start cencoring all those words??)
k, good stuff. next topic (well more of thought): what is the meaning of life, and what goals do u, personally, think that u have to do to complete this life or end it and look back and say u did good.
(base this off anything from religious info to politics, etc.)
1.I think ppl sould leave this world 'pure'! 2.Try to think befor acting 3.Do your best ______________ Politics:
LET THE PRESIDENT DO HIS JOB! you elected him for a reason. ________________________________