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| Diplomacy Aside, Which Starship Captain is most likely to engage in Combat? |
|TOS - Captain James T. Kirk||38.5% (487)|
|DS9 - Captain Benjamin L. Sisko||24.5% (310)|
|VOY - Captain Kathryn Janeway||18.3% (232)|
|ENT - Captain Jonathan Archer||11.8% (149)|
|TNG - Captain Jean-Luc Picard||6.1% (77)|
|Start: 07-18-2008 19:17|
|Last: 07-26-2008 00:51|
|#1 - Posted by: MikeA31 (Member) on 07-18-2008 at 22:21|
Has to be Sisko.. he got trigger happy with the Defiant. :) But it made for some of the best battle scenes in Trek.
|#2 - Posted by: Tych (Member) on 07-18-2008 at 23:47|
Diplomacy aside, probably either Sisko or Picard, depending on whether Picard has families and stuff on his ship. I picked Picard just because he's not hesitant about anything, the only reason he doesn't fight much is because he knows that fighting could start a war.
|#3 - Khaaan - Posted by: Myxale (Member) on 07-19-2008 at 01:11|
James T. All the way!:rock:
|#4 - Posted by: imouto_san (Member) on 07-19-2008 at 09:33|
James T. Kirk indeed.
|#5 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 07-19-2008 at 12:47|
Kirk is certainly not the Captain to engage first the most. He is a quick draw but nothing like Sisko...
Sisko enjoys the fight..."Wait untill 500 meter to open Fire"
Not even Kirk Fire on a planet...and poisioned a biosphere. And when you have the Defiant...why wouldn't you?
|#6 - Posted by: laguardia528 (Member) on 07-19-2008 at 15:46|
Sisko fought because he was at war. Before that we didn't see much ship-to-ship fighting (but I enjoyed him punching Q in the face)
Kirk has fought nearly every species he encountered, and in almost every episode.
|#7 - Posted by: DarthMe (Member) on 07-19-2008 at 23:43|
It is ever so fun to see Kirk have the Enterprise at battle stations on at least a third of the episodes on the first scene.... Kirk all the way
|#8 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 02:07|
Oh come on .."Sisko fought because he had to.."
That is SO not true. If it were he wouldn't have gone after Michael Edington. If that was true he would have only disabled the first Maquis Raider instead of obliterating it.
Kirk never did that
Saying Kirk was at battlestation a thrid of the time litteraly justifies Sisko "He was at war" situtation. Sisko was at Battlestation for far longer and WAY more often than Kirk. Sisko destroyed far more ships than any Captain in Star Fleet. Sisko proved that he had the power and he was willing to use it even when he didn't have to. Sisko was more often out numbered than Kirk ever was so he had to AND he wanted to use the power at his disposal.
Afterall he was the one behind the Defiant Project and he was the one who requested the Defiant..."Defiant may have flaws but she has teeth," We're talking intent to get into a conflict, mostly likely to engage in combat...that Was Sisko hands down. Kirk is just a favorite everyone chooses because he was the first. They put him in bad situations, that's like the cornered animal striking back.
Heres a better illistration:
Which is more likely to attack you...the Rattlesnake or the Bear.
The Rattlesnake gives a warning...it shakes it's tale, hisses...
The Bear just attacks...it's agressive...it's territorial.
You see you can put Kirk in a bad situation more often and say he was in combat more. But when it comes down to Sisko is bear, you invade his territority and that is provocation enough to maul, and eat you alive. It's the perfect discription because if you avoid Sisko's territory he'll leave you alone just like the Bear.
I'll give you verbal example:
Weyoun: I'll be brief, You either remove the minds, or we will take this station from you and remove them ourselves
Sisko: I appreciate your bluntness. Allow me to be equally blunt.... THE MINDS STAY. I will NOT allow any more Dominion reinforcements to come through the wormhole.
Weyoun: YOU? WILL NOT ALLOW?
Sisko: you heard me.
*I loved it. We had never gotten that kind of reaction out of a Captain before Sisko and that's what I liked having a black guy in control. He was bold and he said what was on his mind, direct and too the point, KNOWING that it was going to spell war.*
Bashir: So what happen?
Sisko: They're going to ATTACK.
Bashir: Are you sure?!
Sisko: I'm POSITIVE. The moment I said I wasn't removing the minds we both knew there'd be war, the rest was just an attempt to lull the other into a false sense of security, I didn't buy and I'm sure Weyoun didn't either.
Sisko is simply more likely to attack than Kirk is.
|#9 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 02:14|
Captain MacKenzie Calhoun is worse than all of them...by far
|#10 - LOL Im in FULL agreement. - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 03:45|
All these folks that chose Kirk, are just thinking about the fact that Kirk HAD to fight.
Kirk always gave warning, before he fired.
Sisko gets my vote all the way for aforementioned reasons.
i mean think about it. Picard told Sisko that Starfleet was considering surrendering to the Dominion early in the conflict.
Sisko MOCKED that idea, "Surrender to the Dominion!! (?)" He basically said the Dominion could kiss his arse before he surrenders. XD
I love Sisko. He'd beat your arse and not bat an eye.
LOL All he needed was long hair and a row of ridges going up his forehead. XD
|#11 - and... - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 03:54|
Although Picard is a skilled tactician. He would definitely be the LAST to start a conflict.
I have a few reasons
1. He'd much rather be the "better man" and walk away.
2. He has the dealiest starship in Starfleet (USS Enterprise), so it's easy to do reason #1 with pride.
3. Reason #2 prevents him (having the Enterprise) from running wild with his phasers. He has a peaceful organization to represent. (Enterprise = Flagship)
4. He'd probably lose his command if he showed such "trigger-happy judgment". Reason #3. Starfleet wouldn't trust him with the Enterprise.
5. Picard DOES NOT want to lose his ship. Reason #4
|#12 - Ah. and reason #6... - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 03:56|
Picard got his ass kicked as a cadet for being quick to fight. (stabbed by nausicaan).
So a lucky man like him, would no not to repeat the same mistake twice.
|#13 - Posted by: theStarfleetKid (Staff) on 07-20-2008 at 14:38|
Saquist FTW. I'm completely convinced by the argument he makes above.
But there's one other reason Sisko's the biggest "fighter" of the bunch: the Borg. He lost his wife because he didn't have the firepower to stop them. Being in a position where he couldn't bring his guns to bear wasn't likely to happen ever again. Look at the defensive improvements he made to DS9 in "The Way of the Warrior", the way he handled numerous situations with the Cardassians and the Jem'Hadar--- the resolution to "Favour the Bold" consisted of him taking the Defiant on a suicide mission into the wormhole to stop the Dominion reinforcements and then recklessly demanding intervention from the aliens who resided there to stop them! Sisko's a warrior through and through-- it's why he works so well with Worf and Martok. There's a burning desire for security in Sisko, and he embraces the soldier's role wholeheartedly. Starfleet's all about maintaining the peace, but as Sisko said himself, sometimes war is the only hope to do that....
|#14 - That was well said, - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 17:58|
Sisko does have the fighter mentality, he's a dancing boxer, aggressive and Defiant. And you appropriately bring up Defiant's over powered nature the armorments HE had outfitted on Deep Space Nine. I think you're really hit on the psychology behind Sisko. Losing his wife was the strongest and most inflential moment in his life and I do believe that it dominated everything he did.
"He lost his wife because he didn't have the firepower to stop them. Being in a position where he couldn't bring his guns to bear wasn't likely to happen ever again."
|#15 - Posted by: N1GH7H4WK (Member) on 07-20-2008 at 20:27|
putting Kirk out of the list (because of his "shoot first, then shoot again, and when everyone is dead try to ask some questions" policy) I don't think Picard should be the last on the list by now. He does try to end things pacifically, but you don't want to stand in his way if he's to defend someone or blast his way through the enemy.
in TNG: "The Ensigns of Command" he does everything possible (even almost begging) to gain more time. but when he's about to lose it he directly puts the enterprise in front of the Sheliak going "you'll have to get past us".
Sisko? maybe. he can't just turn around and warp away, if he has to stand his ground and fight, he would. but if there is a better way to solve things, he will rather talk that fight. he also had Worf and Kira, and neither is of the type of giving up easily.
Archer? .... he doesn't have any peaceful Federation to speak after, so.....
(he doesn't have that much of a weapon, though. compared to the xindi or the romulans of that era.....)
Janeway? not the type of a warrior woman... but having 70k lightyears to travel, does it matter if you die in the Delta quadrant, on your way home or starving?
|#16 - Posted by: USS_Voyager_ (Member) on 07-21-2008 at 03:53|
Agreed with Saquist.
|#17 - Posted by: majormagna (Member) on 07-21-2008 at 14:37|
Hm, I'd say 'Other' Capt. Benjamin Maxwell who kept kilin' the Cardies.
In a sensor variant Nebula no less... Must have been a lucky shot against the Galor (guessing it was a Galor)!
|#18 - Posted by: Grig (Member) on 07-22-2008 at 20:32|
Kirk was on the outskirts of known space. He was a kid running the flag ship and he had a long history of 'we come in peace' while whispering 'shoot to kill' to his crew. I understand his reasons (I don't agree with them but I understand them) for many of the choices he made.
As for Sisko, he was a warrior... when a fight was called for he would fight and he would not relent until the enemy was down or he was down. But he was a HARDENED warrior so he could 'control' a warriors urges. Unlike young Worf or Kirk. He had seen war and destruction so he knew what would cause it... and how to stop it if that became his duty. Which was how he could BELIEVABLY play politician or tactician without skipping a beat.
Unlike Kirk who could only be 'politician' when he was around a woman :P
There's a big difference between the two captains. I'm not supporting MANY of the choices they made... but we can all understand (As we know what kind of men they are) why they did what they did.
|#19 - too true lol - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 07-23-2008 at 08:24|
Kirk did seem to "politic" well with females. You didn't have to think twice. The moment there was a pretty female.. the camera would zoom in on her face, and Kirk's face... lol he just had that look... "huh uh, woman. you know i'm gonna get my kiss before this episode's over. huh uh, dont even deny it..." XD
* Moderator's Note: Let's try to stay on topic of this Poll. Which is about "trigger happy" Captains. Not Captain Kirk's hyperactive Libido. Which is very, very well documented. -BR32
|#20 - Posted by: fraggles (Member) on 07-25-2008 at 10:34|
How is it not Archer
He's got a horrible actor and plays a horrible role in which all he does is find ships and fight them with his puny non-canon ship.
|#21 - Posted by: laguardia528 (Member) on 07-25-2008 at 17:18|
ufortunatley, NX Class = Canon byall definitions.
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