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| In a crisis situation, which Starfleet First Officer is the least capable? |
|ENT - Sub Commander T'Pol||39.4% (396)|
|DS9 - Colonel Kira Neryes||22.8% (230)|
|VOY - Commander Chakotay||20.9% (211)|
|TNG - Commander William T. Riker||9% (91)|
|TOS - Commander Spock||7.6% (77)|
|Start: 08-16-2008 04:58|
|Last: 08-23-2008 03:24|
|#1 - Posted by: baskev (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 06:25|
Voted for t'pol a drug crazy, vulcan. how doesn't even have the guts to tell trip the truth.
from best to worst
1. spock; The captian and admiral later. Watch the movies always has good idea etc
2. riker; Good to take over from picard only a little to focused on the enterprise chair.
3. Kira; I dodn't know why she is on the top of the list. Because we are talking about a sucesfull rebel against the cardi's en dominion. A she could hold her one when she had command. That's what the pole is about and she can do it good.
4. V'gers first officer; A officer who is infact worse a commanding then t'pol but has less flaws.
5. t'pol; 1 thing she lifes by the vulcan way. stick your head in the ground and pretend you better.
still find it weird that kira is the worst because she has the most time alone on ships/stations ( even a seperated story line sometimes).
But i think the most off you voted for who you hated the most.
|#2 - Posted by: Henze (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 08:54|
I can'/t vote....because i think they are all capable enough...and i can't tell who's the least since i believe they are on the same level...
so....i vote for the invisible selection: none of the above...
|#3 - Posted by: Jeybyrd (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 10:52|
I'm hard pressed to remember any of them buckling under pressure.
No vote here.
|#4 - Kira is definitely the best... not sure why she's in 2nd place... - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 11:00|
Kira's name should be dead last on this list.
Assuming Crisis Situation means, being ship-less, stranded on a planet with just a few officers, and dealing with a superior enemy force... Kira has the most experience with guerilla warfare, leading men, and surviving in that kind of enviroment... Definitely the one you would want around if you had to eek out a survival in some planet's hostile jungle.
The next most capable would be Chakotay. His Maquis background is enough to warrant him as capable in a crisis. Him B'Elanna and a few others had to literally make it with nothing.
Next would come Spock. Him, Kirk, and Bones got stranded on planets without Enterprise's support for days at a time... "We can form crude weapons with these twigs..." :lol: It never once took Spock long to adapt. Spock literally had to help his friends fight with sticks and stones.
Then there's Riker who's also adaptable... Riker would have a tough time without his precious Enterprise chair, but he would be able to keep everyone in high spirit, he's a guy with a sense of humor, and in a crisis, morale MUST be maintained.
That said, T'Pol gets my vote. When Archer and her where on Vulcan... She did little in helping Archer with his frequent fist fights with enemy Vulcans... I mean, she IS Vulcan... Vulcan's have 3-times the strength of a human... So although she is female... that certainly DOES NOT mean she's useless in a fist fight. HELP OUT.
I mean jeez... instead she criticized Archer, "You're no Vulcan, stop trying to act like one." Archer KNOWS he's not Vulcan (though he had the "chakra"(?) of one in him). It was hard to tell whether she was showing concern or touting Vulcan supremacy. Fact is, I recall Archer getting annoyed with her repeatedly... and in a crisis situation..... you don't need someone who is difficult and argumentative... which she was... often... in MANY episodes.
|#5 - Posted by: ChiefBrex (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 11:06|
I'm sorry, but I think they're all capable XO's...
|#6 - Posted by: USSGalileo (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 13:17|
Little nit, Kira (for most of the show) and T'Pol were not Starfleet. Also while he shouldnâ€™t be called the worst, Worf was Sisko's XO on the Defiant a lot of the time while Kira was the XO on the station. With no other option on the poll maybe he should be in the poll.
|#7 - Posted by: denster (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 17:22|
I can't vote...they are all quite capable and have all proven themselves good leaders. Not to say they don't have weaknesses.
This is how I see them, and though some may disagree...I'm just going on what I've seen.
1: Spock is quite a skilled Starfleet Officer and has even died for the safety of the ship and its crew. No need to say more.
2: Riker certainly doesn't buckle under pressure; he was willing to destroy a Borg Cube by whatever means possible despite the fact that Picard (friend and CO) was on it. If memory serves, he was willing to sacrifice his ship and crew just to stop that cube from reaching Earth. And as Q said, "if it weren't for Q, Commander Riker would have never been born and the Borg would have assimilated Earth." :borg: So really, Riker is the most capable on the list. Also, he did managed to defeat Picard in battle on more then one occasion. Although, his main failing is his failure to use diplomacy.
3: Kira has more then proven her worth in battle as shown on many occasions. Although, you'd have to admit...she's a little trigger crazy. So I don't know why she would be second most voted on the list. She has also shown that she doesn't let her spiritual beliefs interfere with her duties.
4: Chakotay I don't know why is even voted for here...if you remember, he did command his own ship and crew before he joined Voyager. Once more, he did successfully seize command of Voyager. Although I think he is one of the worse judges of character I have ever seen if he let not one, but two spies onto his ship. And got fooled by them more then once after the truth about them came out!
5: T'Pol. Not at all a bad leader, and has commanded Enterprise during more then one battle against incredible odds. Unlike some Vulcan's of that era that I can think of, she learned to keep an open mind about things.
|#8 - simple - Posted by: kahless5 (Member) on 08-16-2008 at 22:51|
kira was the least trained. Tpol had t o n s more life experience, all the rest were starfleet trained, even though (in my opinion) Chakotay was a nugget...lol Remember --just because she is the least, doesnt mean she was bad....shes bein compared to some tough competition
|#9 - Posted by: akula2ssn (Member) on 08-17-2008 at 02:14|
If I had to pick, T'Pol and Kira would have to be my first two choices mostly because they were problematic XO's at the very beginning. Both (particularly T'Pol) had issues that should have been tabled from the get go. The main problem is their behavior at the beginning of their respective series just sets a bad precedence that can really create issue in terms of crew confidence in the chain of command.
There's little negative to say about Spock in terms of being a first officer, but most of the good stuff to say about him is more towards being the commanding officer than a first officer. I think the same goes for Riker. Although his conduct in "Chain of Command" wasn't really great in terms of a first officer.
I actually have to say the Chakotay was probably the best example of a first officer to be shown in Star Trek. All of the choices given have demonstrated the ability to command a ship in one manner or another, but that really isn't the primary role of a first officer. The main thing about being a first officer is running the day to day functions of the ship such as maintenance and logistics which frees up the commanding officer to focus on the planning and execution of the ship's mission. While we have seen the other characters take on this role to a lesser extent, Chakotay has shown that he can do this effectively in rather unusual circumstances. What was particularly impressive was his ability to manage the senior officers and daily operations of the ship while folding the Maquis into Voyager's crew and coming in as an outsider to the Star Fleet crew on the ship.
|#10 - i'm sorry - Posted by: Kent (Member) on 08-17-2008 at 09:46|
all i can think about is T'Pol.
Remember that alternate episode, the one where Archer is like aging backwards or something like that, where she had command of the ship after Earth was destroyed? Or she had command after he was permanently injured or brain damaged so he couldn't remember beyond the moment of injury...something.
Anyhow, T'Pol had command of the ship, and routinely made bad descisions/. Like they had little fuel, was constantly picking fights they couldn't win, and lost a WHOLE WARP NACELLE.
WTF? And on top of the she also lost A WHOLE EARTH!!! She failed the mission. Bye-Bye humanity.
That's why she's the worst. That's why she was a "sub-commander". As much as her character was intruiging, she sucked at command.
|#11 - yeah... - Posted by: Kent (Member) on 08-17-2008 at 09:48|
i don't really understand Kira....what the hell is that?? Didn't she command the Defiant a few times? or was at least there? And remember way of the warrior??
She was capable, more than capable. Capable enough the Federation gave her a field promotion to Commander, and eventually ran the station with Sisko gone.
I don't get that, at all, 100%. Don't understand.
|#12 - Posted by: N1GH7H4WK (Member) on 08-18-2008 at 20:50|
both vulcans in opposite edges lol
Spock at least added something. sometimes cryptic in response, but helpful.
T'pol just whined about everything... "humans don't know ...." "humans don't understand ... " "humans should not ...." and so on....
|#13 - Posted by: faro0485 (Member) on 08-19-2008 at 17:14|
Isn't T'pol supposed to be dead by now... or then?
* Moderator's Note: You are Kidding, aren't you? Seems like "reading & comprehension" today is really a lost art. -BR32
|#14 - Some of us seemed to miss the question... - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 08-20-2008 at 13:40|
The question isnt 'who's the most capable', 'or 'who's the best XO'. It's "who's the LEAST capable, in a CRISIS situation.'
That's actually a very specific field of analysis, and if you focus on that without thinking of the officer's OVERALL character traits, but think only of how they individually handled TRULY impoverished, and pressuring times... then I strongly believe that you will come to the same conclusion as me.
|#15 - Posted by: Stu_1701D (Member) on 08-20-2008 at 17:03|
Oops, I read the question wrong, I think Spock would be the most capable in a crisis, or any other situation, T' Pol the least. T' Pol was always second guessing the crew, especially when it came to time travel, it took her actually being sent to 2004 in Detroit to convincer that it was possible. Spock was awesome because... well, he's Spock!
|#16 - Posted by: KamikazeSteve (Member) on 08-21-2008 at 07:16|
T'pol gets my vote. I don't recall her doing much other than complaining about humans this and humans that.
She occasionally had some info on some of the aliens they ran across but that was about it.
All the others listed seemed much more useful/capable.
"Spock was awesome because... well, he's Spock!"
Couldn't help but laugh at that one. Spock is awesome.
|#17 - Roadblocks.... - Posted by: BlackRook32 (Staff) on 08-22-2008 at 07:38|
Wow! T'Pol is really getting a bad rap here?
First off T'Pol was a member of Starfleet in the end. T'Pol only made it "Official" during the 4th season. Sub-Commander T'Pol was only a observer for the High Command for the first two seasons. She resigned her commission from the High Command when Ambassador Soval ordered Her back to Vulcan after the Xendi attack on Earth.
I just think T'Pol is being remembered for being a Class: A biotch (a title well earned I might add) from the first two seasons. IMO, that dragged that out a bit to long. The same could be said for Kira Neryes. She really gave Sisko hell the first season of DS9.
So being a Roadblock is really the question. This is not a question of who is your favorite. but who is the least capable in a crisis situation. On that end my vote goes to Kira Neryes. Kira was just as much a hindrance to Sisko as T'Pol was to Archer in the beginning of their respective series. Even Chakotay was guilty of this with Janeway back in the day.
Only Riker and Spock towed the line for Captain, Ship and Crew with out Question. Unwavering Loyalty is the key.- BR32
|#18 - True enough. - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 08-23-2008 at 00:07|
Well, Kira's behavior in season 1 was to be expected. She was worried about herself and her people, and she didnt want to go from one Occupation (cardies), to another (Feds). imo, its understandable that she would be difficult... she had no way of discerning what Starfleet's intentions were to her people other than whatever Sisko may say or do...
Of course, there is the fact, that her own government requested the Federation presence... that only should've helped her relax a bit... but after a number of consecutive years of violence... you never totally regain the peace you had before. She's a good example of that.
I can't think of an excuse for difficult behavior on the parts of Chakotay and T'Pol though... especially T'pol.
Hypothetical statements to both characters as follows:
Chakotay = ex-maquis... ok big deal. no maquis support in delta quadrant, so u may as well get along with Janeway. (No excuse for being uncooperative.)
T'Pol = V. High Command Observer... Yeah, ur supposed to be observing... not offering negative critique and being condescending. Yes, we interpret your words that way... Yeah... what? Why are you, knowing full well that they are emotional and "illogical" humans, deliberately provoking crew members to annoyance again...? Uh... yeah.. the captain is human too... so he'll likely get annoyed if you say or do something like that... (No logical REASON to get on anyone's bad side. On some occasions, she didnt even have any business talking on a particular scenario.)
So yeah...you vote Kira, br32... but imo, i would think she's undead if she didnt behave the way she did in s1... some1 her position should be expected to behave like that.
|#19 - Posted by: Myxale (Member) on 08-23-2008 at 02:48|
She"s was far more useless than most of the second i command.
And after she got drug addicted even more so!
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