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| What is your 'Favorite' Star Trek Movie? |
|Star Trek VIII: First Contact||32.9% (417)|
|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan||22.7% (287)|
|Star Trek X: Nemesis||13.7% (174)|
|Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country||12.8% (162)|
|Star Trek VII: Generations||5.3% (67)|
|Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home||4.9% (62)|
|Star Trek IX: Insurrection||3.7% (47)|
|Star Trek: The Motion Picture||2% (26)|
|Star Trek III: The Search for Spock||1.3% (17)|
|Star Trek V: The Final Frontier||0.3% (5)|
|Start: 10-25-2008 11:53|
|Last: 11-01-2008 10:21|
|#1 - Posted by: denster (Member) on 10-25-2008 at 12:16|
Ok, I have to admit...this one was a hard one to vote in...
But I went with Star Trek III because of the scenes in the Starbase and the excellent flyby shots when Kirk steals the Enterprise.
"Here you are Doctor, from one surgeon to another"
|#2 - umm... - Posted by: furswift (Member) on 10-25-2008 at 12:52|
Nemesis @ #2???
Too many things wrong with that movie to list...
|#3 - Generations - Posted by: Odyssey1319 (Member) on 10-25-2008 at 13:07|
You can't help but love those tiny little lifeforms.
|#4 - NEMESIS!!! - Posted by: vonfrank (Member) on 10-25-2008 at 16:04|
Nemesis is definately the best!!!
despite what some people think, i don't see any problems with it at all. Its a great movie!:D
|#5 - #4 - Posted by: billyboyjennings (Member) on 10-25-2008 at 23:23|
I hope your joking.
|#6 - Deciding between movies 2, 4, 7, and 8 is very difficult... - Posted by: MJAY (Member) on 10-26-2008 at 01:47|
...therefore i will abstain from voting.
As predicted, anything Bord-related is taking the 1st place in the poll.
|#7 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 10-26-2008 at 06:30|
Damn. Too many filums!
|#8 - contin'd - Posted by: Kaynine (Member) on 10-27-2008 at 06:26|
I had to go with star trek 6, because 2,3,and 4 were actually the same story. 2, and 3 never ended, they ran into the voyage home. All of them were good though. I even liked the motion picture. Not enough to have included it in a poll though. lol
|#9 - Posted by: rattler20200 (Member) on 10-27-2008 at 08:16|
Sometimes, you just have to stand up for what you believe in, even if it means going against a superior officer.
|#10 - Posted by: Firewarrior1705 (Member) on 10-27-2008 at 15:30|
I liked both nemesis and first contact. But i'd go for nemesis because it's the only movie that shows the true combat power of the sovy
|#11 - Khaaan - Posted by: Myxale (Member) on 10-27-2008 at 16:33|
Wrath of Kahn!
The truly perfect ST movie! The Real Crew, The real Connie and the real bad Guy!
"Kirk my friend..." great acting!
|#12 - Posted by: JoshBlade (Member) on 10-27-2008 at 21:21|
I voted for First Contact, but I can't understand why so many people hate Nemesis? I do realize that a lot of character moments were taken out of the final cut of the movie to leave more time for action. But honestly, never has Picard faced a foe like Shinzon. And frankly, the space battles were amazing. We always knew the Sovereign class was powerful, but no ship in Trek history has taken such a pounding. (Except Voyager in the Year of Hell...that was uncanny and awesome!) Can someone explain what was wrong with Nemesis?
* Moderator's Note: What bugged people about Nemesis? Let me count the ways. The movie had many continuity gaffs that was blatant enough for any passing trek fan. 29 decks on the Sovereign Class? When it was stated in First Contact that it was 24. Poor plot line. Though I loved seeing the Romulan Senate "Flash Fried". I though it would have been cooler to have all the actors who ever played a Romulan show up in Nemesis. Like Cmdr. Sela, The Pro-Counsel, Cmdr. Toreth and even Tomalok. A Missed opportunity there. Wesley Crusher back in Starfleet? Eeeew! The Jeffery Tube fight with Riker and the Reman heavy was "painful" to watch. And the fall the Reman took? Was worse than Kirk and Spock in ST:V flying up the long 79 deck shaft of the 1701-A
Data's emotion chip changing with every showing. and differing installation. And the Ultimate "Outrage" Picard letting Counselor Troi "behind the wheels" again, lol. If he was looking to ram Shinzon's ship? He could not have chosen a better Pilot. Some of us are still traumatized by her crash landing the 1701-D's Saucer. -BR32
|#13 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 10-28-2008 at 05:57|
They think its a rubbish storyline. I think its a key factor in Federation history.
|#14 - Kirk: KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Posted by: Jaydinator (Member) on 10-28-2008 at 14:55|
I really liked Wrath of Khan partly because of the interaction between Khan and Kirk, you can sense the antagonism between them. That and a fairly cool space battle.
|#15 - Posted by: imouto_san (Member) on 10-28-2008 at 16:15|
i'd have to say undiscovered country. even now i still get teary-eyed at the final scene. never has a trek film moved me like ST VI. not to mention one of my personal favorite lines: "If i were human, i believe my response would be "go to hell".............if i were human."
|#16 - THE UNIDICOVERED COUNTRY - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 10-28-2008 at 19:33|
Star Trek VI was the Best Movie
First Contact was the Third worse Star Trek Film to date. Coming after Star Trek Nemesis and the Final Frontier.
|#17 - Posted by: John_Luck (Member) on 10-29-2008 at 01:52|
ST VI is my favorite too, great story. Not a fan of the time travel stories...
|#18 - Posted by: Happy_Russia (Member) on 10-29-2008 at 10:21|
First Contact the third worse? You're kidding, right?
Okay, you have a fantastic script, incredible story, the acting is the best it's ever been in ANY of the ten films, superb soundtrack. Everything about First Contact is nearly perfect. If there are two perfect Trek films, it's this and Wrath of Khan.
But on a personal level, I go more like this:
First Contact, Motion Picture, Final Frontier, Nemesis, Search for Spock, Generations.
|#19 - No Faves, just really remarkable... - Posted by: Corrigious (Member) on 10-30-2008 at 02:13|
I cannot say that I have a favorite Star Trek film... though, "The Wrath of Khan" has to be the film that endeared the crew of The Enterprise to my young heart, and many of yours ; The classic tale of an ancient foe who returns to avenge himself, through cunning deception upon the man who exhiled him.
Relentless, almost inoxicated with vengeance, Khan pursues Admiral Kirk, at the cost of his followers lives, his freedom (for he becomes a slave to his wrath), and ultimately his life. In that dark and final hour, poised to deal his mortal blow, a wounded Enterprise limping away before him, with bloody satisfaction within his grasp, is thwarted by one of the most noble and memorable individual acts of self sacrifice in Federation history, and perhaps the film franchise.
With mounting casualties on a ship with a crew compliment made up of trainees, a disabled warp drive, and the eminant detonation of the Genesis device, Captain Spock, he himself a cunning individual, ignoring the hazards to his person;
Chief Medical Officer Dr. Mcoy to Captain Spock
" Are you out of Your mind!? No human can survive that level of Radiation!"
Towhich Captain Spock replies,
"As you are so fond of pointing out, Doctor, I am not Human.",
enters the radiation flooded Enginering section, reconfigures the warp drive manually, suffering, and enduring second and third degree radiation burns to his body. With warp drive newly restored, The Enterprise and her crew escape Khan's siucidal blaze of sour grapes, but paid for with the blood of young men and women of Starfleet, and most notably Captain Spock.
His sacrifice stands in stark contrast to Khan's, in that Spock, highly regarded and esteemed amongst those who served under his command, gave his life for the survival of his friends and shipmates, where Khan, having been freed from that barren world, in turn, condems the Reliant crew to death in his place, and instead of taking his crew and new ship to find salvation, leads his followers to battle, to die in vain.
The drama and dynamics amongst the crew, between protagonist and antagonist is great, for any film or genre.....
" I have been... and always shall be... your friend. Live long, and prosper."
Captain Spock's final words.
I know he was returned to life, but the impact amongst the characters, and the fans, was a stunning one.
|#20 - Happy Russia - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 05:21|
To POST # 18
I'm affraid so Happy Russia. It's the worse script ever I've ever sceen.
The film is garbage.
The story and characters aren't big enough for a film
The double dream sequence is redundant and doesn't forward the plot at all.
The Borg look benign. It was easier to destroy the cube this time.
The dialogue is gretueques
What's the point in sending Picard to the Neutral Zone? None...It didn't forward the story.
Defiant and Worf aren't introduced propperlly. If you've never seen DS9 you wouldn't get it.
There's nothing stopping the Borg from going back in the past again so the entire story plausibility seems to be farfetched and horribly forced and contrived.
The construction of the plot of the movie is serverely off. They discuss plot points that the audience isn't privy to and it doesn't help our understanding.
As the film goes on the "shooting at borg" theme is all the movie is about.
"Shooting the Borg on the ship"
"Shooting the Borg in space"
"Shooting the Borg on the Holodeck"
"Shooting the Borg in the Ship"
What's worse when we avoid the obvious badly concieved plot devices like the entire idea of the Borg Queen and the forced addition of her into Picards memory we still have to deal with the fact that the writers wrote PICARD as a completely different character.
Picard had his tiff and worked through his emotional issues already with Troi and trashing his brother after BoBW. So it begs the question. Why are we here AGAIN. If Star Fleet thought he had emotional issues and Troi thought he had emotional issues then why was he still in command of the Starship Enterprise.
Then worse of all, this character that we've grown to know as rock spolid becomes a mass murderer. Now it's the Borg. Ultimately to survive you have no choice but Picard does have a choice... But instead of saving his crew he runs around murdering them. He really did put the least amount of effort into his plan.
"If you get assimilated. I'll have to kill you"
In Next Generation Riker, Shelby, Crusher, Geordi, Wesly and the rest of THIS SAME CREW in First Contact pull out all the stops just to save him...ONE MAN. Just coincidence he was also the key to victory.
Suddenly Picard forgets all that and it becomes clear. Picard is a monster. He doesn't care about the crew and they repeat that theme over and over again.
"This used to be ensign "so & so" Picard
"Tough luck, huh?" Lilly.
There were so many problems with this film....
This post was a combination of the perceptions of CONFUSED MATTHEW and my own problem with the First contact Movie.
SEE CONFUSED MATTHEW REVIEW FIRST CONTACT:
|#21 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 05:30|
First Contact made absolutely no sense what so ever. I must completely suspend my belief in the story, the charcters and even the past character development in order to even start to like the film. Our intelligence is being taken for granted from the moment the film begins to the end...
It's almost as bad as the New Star Wars Trillogy but nothing really holds a candle to that load of nonsense.
|#22 - I must concur with Mr. Saquist... - Posted by: Corrigious (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 08:53|
The arrival of the Borg to the cinematic world was an awkward and feeble pubescent ejaculation. What should have been an epic conflict captured on film; the Federation homeworld under invasion from a most dreaded foe, scrambling it's scattered forces to engage the enemy; would have resulted in a space battle that would have overshadowed any other that had ever occured before, and possibly after, in any franchise (Star Wars, Babylon 5, BSG, and yes, even the beloved "Last Starfighter").
Don't even get me started on the presumed " I want a companion " bile spilt forth from the Borg Queen's mouth!!! For what?! Did she want the asimilated Picard or Data to penetrate her with their assimilation tubules?
" Boooooo!!! Boooo!!! Booooo!!! "
From the film, "The Princess Bride".
(A qoute from The Old Hag in Princess Buttercups' dream.)
|#23 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 10:43|
Yowch. We're harsh about FC.
its the frakkin Borg for god sake. Picard killed that ensign because he knew it was better to die human than live as a Borg. They sliced and diced him up like beef and took everything from him. I think Picard served that ensign justice by saving him from what was to become of him. He may have been able to save them but at what cost? The assimalation of Earth?
He got over his emotinal issues because his ship saved him, the Borg were gone and he wouldn't have to face them on a major front for another 7 or so years. Its like a piece of music. You don't practice it, it gets rusty and doesn't sound as good. If they faced the Borg a heck of a lot more, then he probably wouldn't be so tetchy in the film.
And yes, the film is meant to take our intelligence for granted. What point would it be explaining every little thing to us? It would take to long and I'm sure Saquist that you would be as bored as hell with explanations. Were the explanations in Nemesis? Insurrection? Only for things we didn't already know. Bu we knew what the Enterprise was. The same goes for First Contact. We know what the Borg are. We even get an explanation for what Zefram Cochrane did! Again!
So I feel that your argument is a bit off. There was no point to arguing the Enterprise at the Neutral Zone. The whole point was to show that the Enterprise is being held back from a major battle scene.
|#24 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 11:47|
It's fairly clear there was no rhyme or reason to anything Picard did. He only did it because the script needed him to make a spectacle of himself and his killing spree. He needed to be out of character in order to make the splash they needed because the Next Gen characters were very flat as far as characters go.
The series was about the adventure and exploration not about the characters. This was good an bad but it did well.
Ultimately the best way to avoid being wordy and over explaining is not to have plot's like this that screw up continuity and actually engage other viewers other than your fan base. The movie was the very definition of SAD and PATHETIC...
Sad N Pathetic: A horribly concieved plot with force fed time filler characters and dialogue that do absolutely nothing on screen...AKA Borg Queen,
|#25 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 11:52|
Great SCOTT HE"S SPENT THE LAST TWENTY YEARS WITH THIS VERY SAME CREW!!!
This would be the equivilent of your family getting assimilated and you callously shrugging and phasering them down and then ENJOYING IT.... ARGHHHH....
who wouldn't enjoy that.
|#26 - Permit me to invoke logic... - Posted by: Corrigious (Member) on 10-31-2008 at 19:38|
Perhaps this one survey should have been two: Which is you favorite Star Trek (TMP Era) film, and likewise for the TNG Era. I believe it is safe to say that plot-wise, both "The Final Frontier" and "First Contact" were the worst of thier respective franchise eras.
Of "The Final Frontier", One can say that, they, who had creative control of this chapter in Federation and franchise history, dropped the cinematic ball. There were some notable and worthy plot points, but not enough to keep the film relevant, or necesary. The introduction of another son of Sarek and his antithesis nature to Spock, and by proxy, Vulcan society would have been promising. The spiritual aspect of the film, with regards to the Sha Ka Ri hypothesis proposed by Saibok, which would have had major implications for the Alpha Quadrant ( I am aware of the outcome of the encounter), should have made for some good movie watching, and Star Trek story line advancement. This film could not have been worse if an eight year old Hellen Keller wrote the script.
The following installment, "The Undiscovered Country", is a far superior effort. Spock really delivers the gravity of the dire situation that the Klingon people are in, and the opprotunity that lies before the Federation. The creative powers at work did a good job at capturing Kirk at his worst, as well as Spock's suprise at Kirk's prejudices. The ensuing political intrigue and subterfuge was well written.
And Kudos to the newly promoted Captain Hikaru Sulu on receiving a command commision, especially one as prestigious as the Excelsior. The fraternal bond between Captain Sulu and his former crew was addressed very well.
The arrogance displayed by General Chang ( Even for a Klingon ), and to an equal extent, his co-conspirators, was classic antagonist.
The only flaw with this movie, in my opinion, was the end sequence, at the Kidomer ( I hope I am spelling that correctly) Conference. The intervention of Captain Kirk and his crew at the scene of the attempted assasination of the Federation President could have been structured better.
This movie fulfilled the goal of having a far reaching affect on Federation Policy, galactic stability, and future films. Bravo for sticking to Gene Rodenberry's vision of Star Trek, which was to address moral issues within a realistic future backdrop.
|#27 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 11-01-2008 at 03:32|
Picard never made it clear he was joyful with killing his crew. He smashed his own starship stand thing in the ready room. The film is like Moby Dick. Just like Lilly said. The Borg is the whale and Picard is Moby. The Borg bit off Picards arm and now Picard finds the time to stop the Borg as a way of getting revenge. I suppose it shows how out of character the Borg can make someone who's suffered their wrath.
|#28 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 11-01-2008 at 03:34|
Oi! That wasn't a swear word! Its the name of a book! "Moby D^ck". http://www.lordalford.com/Dark/moby2.jpg
|#29 - Posted by: Dalekium (Member) on 11-01-2008 at 03:39|
Oh yeah, Borg Queenie was crap. But very sinister and creepy when shes with Picard. OK, yes, some of it was sad but when she's getting pissed off with him...ooh, creepy!
|#30 - Your defense of "First Contact" is admirable, but illogical... - Posted by: Corrigious (Member) on 11-01-2008 at 09:25|
I will not argue that the Borg are an integral part of the Star Trek universe, but thier film debut was bad surgery performed by blunt instruments.... Mmmmm... Blunts... Aaaarrrgggggh... Picards reaction and eventual descent in single-minded vengeance was good plot writing, but not much else was.
The addition of the Borg Queen was a good premise for a film, and good for Star Trek canon, but required better character development. The temporal tactics used by the Borg seemed like it was added to the script the morning that it had to be handed over to the studio.
I understand that writing a story that satisfies both the savy fans as well casual film patrons is a difficult task, something that should have been done with greater care and consideration.
I wonder if some of us could manage to aquire the film rights; that we may produce the film that "First Contact" could be.
|#31 - Posted by: Saquist (Member) on 11-01-2008 at 09:38|
@ Post 26
All I can say is " QUOTE, BUY, PRINT" Theres nothing else to say.
@ Post 30
I didn't mind Picard having issues with the Borg but not to that extent. He's human...and this is a story...so develop that story through the human qualities we know so well.
I didn't mind the Borg Queen untill I found out her whole purpose in the film was sex appeal. When they put her in Picards memeory when she wasn't there before...
(how do you forget something like that)
And ultimately when it seemed like she had absolutely no purpose at all but get Data Horney.....Ughhhh.
I lost IQ points after watching First Contact.
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