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Was Carth Onasi Force Sensitive?
No	42.9% (670)


Yes	40.7% (635)


Not Sure	16.3% (255)


Total: 1560
Start: 05-30-2008 00:20
Last: 06-06-2008 01:02

Well, in the comics, he use some force powers. So yes.

Dude! He was Force Sensitive! I actually had a glitch where he had 4 Force Points...:D

I am not sure.... Besides I never looked for such potential! Should I ???

Nah, don't think so. But, there is a Force in everyone... oooooohhh :lol:

Well, Dustil is Force Sensitive. He had to get it somewhere. ;)

if you are referring to the ongoing kotor comics, then i must've missed something the 28 times i read each one. (i re-read the whole serie every time a new one comes out. too much free time.) if you're not, please enlighten me which comics you mean.

Not sure, his son is though. So maybe he's a little force sensitive.

Well, everyone is force sensitive to some degree, and I agree with Shem.

Yes, I think he is from some of the statements he makes during the game. Dustil is which is unexplained uless Carth's wife was a Jedi or force sensitive.

Right, I'll point some stuff out that Allronix stated in her mod, "Carth's Secret" and i must say that she does have some really valid points, read and [Persuade] Agree :3 (P.s. yes, I am cutting and pasting but Allronixs' argument really did persuade me into believing Carth is force sensitive) 1) 1) The man's intuition is scarily good. He was the only one who suspected something was up with the PC. Paranoia had something to do with it, but even when he ditched most of the trust issues, he was still sensing something amiss. He was also dead-on in his last conversation with Revan in saying that a permanent choice had to be made. When Revan makes a final LS choice, he stammers out that "I told you you would have to make a choice soon - and that was it, I can feel it" with the same conviction of Leia telling Han that Luke was okay after Death Star 2 went up. 2) He has strange luck - maybe too strange. If retcon's your friend, this man's stumbled into not only one, but TWO Jedi cover-ups. Granted, he only ran across Zayne in passing, but he gets hip-deep when it comes to Revan. And just what are the odds of getting to the last escape pod, sharing it with an amnesiac Sith Lord, crashing on an occupied planet, grabbing your odd companion and just happening to find a dump of an apartment where the landlord's not asking questions? 3) Ajunta Pall. According to the D20 system the game was based on, one has to have a modicum of Force sensitivity to see a Force ghost. It takes slightly more than that to understand what it's saying. HK-47 and Carth are the only non-Jedi party members who make any note of Pall's presence. HK-47 only comments that Pall shows up on his sensors as a strange reading. Carth can not only hear Ajunta Pall, but understand what the ghost is saying. 4) Kreia's comment about Telos in K2. Telos was a place where Jedi dumped Force Sensitives who were not suited to the Order, and that the colony is descended from those. She also implied heavily that Revan planned to take the planet for that reason, and that Malak missed the point when he bombed it into ash. We know Dustil is among the Force Sensitive, and that Carth is native to Telosâ€¦

I don't see why it matters, but I voted "No" for good measure.

I voted no just because they never said that he was. There is a very good chance that he is at least a little force sensitive. But you all seem to say that he would have to be related to a jedi or a force sensitive. I don't think he HAS to be related to feel the force. It does seem like he is though. . . :confused:

I voted yes, only because I think it's [i]possible[/i]. I'm not saying that he is Force sensitve, just that it's possible. Hmm...maybe I should have picked "not sure". :P

Well, just because his son is force sensitive doesn't mean Carth has to be too... Should we mention now young Anakin??

Well, Anakin's father [i]was[/i] Force sensitive; he was the Force. :P But about that...yes, it's possible Dusty got his ability from his mother, or from neither. However, keep in mind that the founders of Telos were failed padawans, deemed not strong enough in the Force to become Jedi. So it's likely that a good portion of Telos' population (Carth and Morgana included) are Force sensitive to some degree--to some degree more than your average Joe Republic. Maybe neither was strong enough in the Force to become a Jedi, but their son [i]was[/i].

There is evidence that points to him being force sensitive. One such evidence is the fact that his son, Dustil, is a force sensitive. That being said, Dustil was also pointed out by Master Uthar to be quite powerful. Throughout the game, he has been shown to be quite intuitive, telling Revan that "Someday, you'll have to make a choiceâ€¦ and there won't be any going back." Not only that, but he is able to see and UNDERSTAND the ghost of Ajunta Pall in the game. If he was more willing, maybe he could have been trained to be a Jedi, we do not know that, but there is evidence to show that he is a force sensitive. I voted Yes. XD

Yes, for the reasons already stated. Also, you would think if Morgana was Force Sensitive or a Jedi that would have been stated.

Well, seeing has we never even get her [i]name[/i] in the game, I doubt it would be. Oh, one matter I forgot to mention...Carth doesn't seem at all surprised that his son became a Dark Jedi. Surprised about the "dark" part, yes, but not about the "Jedi" part. But maybe I'm looking into that too much.

I Say who is or isn't Force Sensitive No He isn't

Why that "looking too much" isn't bad JCarter...

If Carth was force sensitive, don't you think Bastila or some other jedi would remark on it?

Maybe they don't know. Plenty of Force sensitives go unnoticed by the Jedi. Five of the party members from K2, for instance.

[quote]If Carth was force sensitive, don't you think Bastila or some other jedi would remark on it?[/quote]You have to give a reason to for one. Not every Force sensitive is trained in the way of the Jedi or is discovered. This is good because Jedi lead a life of celibacy and Force sensitives have to procreate. Even if strong Force sensitives are discovered, that doesn't mean a mother and/or father agree to let their child be donated to the Jedi order. Dustil had to get his ability somewhere and there's a good chance it came from Carth's line. Look at Atton, Bao-Dur, Mira, Mical, and Brianna. They weren't discovered by the Jedi order to be trained as young children. Remember Bastila? If Bastila's parents had a better life to give her, she would have never been trained as a Jedi. Remember Juhani? If she hadn't followed her dream, or had be enslaved by Xor, she would have never became a Jedi. If Queen Amidala's ship wasn't damaged on its way to Coruscant, Anakin Skywalker wouldn't have been discovered. Heck, if Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan had not survived the Trade Federation's betrayal on their ship, Anakin wouldn't have been discovered and he had the biggest midi-chlorian count in the history of the Jedi order.

Well, maybe if Anakin wouldn't be discovered, the Order wouldn't be destroyed... If Anakin wasn't found Qui-Gon, maybe a Dark Lord would have found him! Then Anakin would be a Dark LOrd, but later he goes Light SIde!!!!! Maybe we can continue maybe's. But that would be plain stupid. The Force guides us. Don't forget Kreia's words: "We both know true coincedences are rare." Right Shem?

You know, I never really gave this a thought until I read the description under one of Carth's feats while I was leveling him up one day. I popped K1 in so I could quote it accurately: Uncanny Intuition Unique Ability: Carth Carth possesses an unusually accurate sense of intuition. Often dismissed as paranoia, he can often sense when something is amiss when there is no concrete evidence to support this feeling. It is widely debated that such ability is an indication that an individual is slightly more in touch with the force than the average person. I took this as a big "yes", so I'm with everyone that thinks he is force sensitive. :D

Hmm? That's not in my game...sure it isn't a mod?

@JCarter426: Well, I don't have any Carth mods on, so I can't imagine another mod putting this in there. You checked? Under Carth's feats? The icon looks like an eye.

Ah, I found it: http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filefront.com/file/Carths_Clothes_I;75895 It edits the dialog.tlk file; must have stayed behind after you uninstalled. ;)

OMG, now I feel stupid. Well, no wonder I only just noticed that recently. So I guess I really don't know if Carth was force sensetive or not. :( I also don't know much about modding, but I REALLY dislike when dialog files are monkeyed with just for clothing... ruins some really cool mods for me.

Heh, don't feel bad. :D Oh, and Shem says to back up the dialog.tlk file next time. :P

how can you not think carths not a force sensetive. if you dont believe me then explain how he saw the ghost in ajunta palls tomb when canderous and anyone else besides bastilla, juhani, and jolee, didnt see him. or at least thats what i was told :):mepimp::beer:

He is way to whiny to be force sensitive. :p Plus, if he was, then he should have been able to sense the force in me (Revan) since Revan was a beast in the force.

[quote]He is way to whiny to be force sensitive.[/quote] That defines whether or not someone is Force Sensitive? I mean look at Anakin.

lol @ Indiana_Revan77 ! Good point... And remember guys, this isn't a Carth popularity contest. :rolleyes:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Carth_Onasi In one of the pictures, it says: [quote]Zayne Carrick shows Onasi his Jedi abilities by pulling his blaster from him.[/quote]

Damn, wrong quote. And damn, double post.

Well if he's force-sensitive, it explains his pathetic urge to always do the good thing.

[quote]Well if he's force-sensitive, it explains his pathetic urge to always do the good thing.[/quote]That defines whether or not someone is Force Sensitive? I mean look at Palpatine. :p

I voted yes!

Definitely not!

I voted No, Dustil could've got it from his mother?

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