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What's your opinion on the new mod rating system?

I like it, keep it 38.3% (277)
I don't care either way 30.5% (221)
Undecided 24.6% (178)
It's terrible, get rid of it 6.5% (47)
Total: 723
Start: 09-26-2008 16:03
Last: 10-03-2008 16:00

 #1 - Posted by: Penguin_Unit (Staff) on 09-26-2008 at 17:13

Baiting comments snipped. I was going to delete your vote too, but OPS (predictably) threw a fit. Ah well, we can't have everything. - Dev

 #2 - Posted by: Tar_Minyatur (Member) on 09-26-2008 at 17:37

Yeah, I don't really see anything helpful about it. I chose 'I don't care', because I really don't, but I see it as pointless. It is quite obvious whether it is 'Basic', 'Advanced' etc. '

 #3 - Posted by: jcoolZombie (Member) on 09-26-2008 at 17:44

I like the idea, but the execution of it worries me. So, I'm undecided.

 #4 - Posted by: Khaoz_master (Member) on 09-26-2008 at 18:01

i pressed idc but really i just thought about it and having it say basic for a modders 1st mod, if they spent weeks and then found out its basic could discourage them from modding.

 #5 - Posted by: LordJediMaster (Member) on 09-26-2008 at 20:16

I don't like this one bit

 #6 - Posted by: Emperor_Devon (Staff) on 09-26-2008 at 21:27

i pressed idc but really i just thought about it and having it say basic for a modders 1st mod, if they spent weeks and then found out its basic could discourage them from modding.

In other words, make average the new amazing?

If every mod was rated advanced, then advanced would mean basic. The rating would lose all value if it was given out to everyone, and we'd just have to invent a new category for better-than-average mods (which was the rationale for the original rating in the first place).

I like the idea, but the execution of it worries me. So, I'm undecided.

We can't improve the system if you won't tell us what needs to be improved. That you're worried by its execution (whatever that means, you're being impossibly vague) doesn't tell us anything.

I don't like this one bit

...and neither does that. If you can be bothered to post your opinion, you can be bothered to explain the rationale behind it.

 #7 - Posted by: DarthLeomar (Member) on 09-26-2008 at 22:13

Why was PenguinUnit's comment removed? I didn't see anything wrong about it. Anyhow, I like the new rating system. Is there anyway to implement it into search? (i.e. Have a search filter that only searches advanced mods, etc.)

 #8 - Posted by: LordJediMaster (Member) on 09-27-2008 at 00:03

If you can be bothered to post your opinion, you can be bothered to explain the rationale behind it.

Sorry for not explaining. I just think it will be too discouraging to modders. It's like you're trying to force modders to make better mods or something even if they're doing the best that they can. I could be wrong, but that is how I feel about it.

 #9 - Posted by: ThePaper (Member) on 09-27-2008 at 04:16

I rather think it's an unnecessary addition. What purpose does it serve? I'm not being sarcastic either when I ask. I just fail to see the point or use of adding it. People are going to know the difference between something like TSLRP, M4-78 and Yavin IV and something like, say a quick .uti item edit (and they certainly have their uses). Then again, to borrow from Dr House "People are idiots," so maybe not everyone will realize the difference in what all went into the creation of the mod. Chances are anyone who doesn't mod at all will never know what may go into creating a mod, any mod. To them, a mod is a mod is a mod and it's just extra content, pulled from hammerspace in the blink of an eye, or so they anxiously hope. If they like it, they like it, if they don't, that can't be helped, regardless of how much or little the mod's creator put into the creation. But I rather agree with Khaoz_master. And I think, Emeror Devon, that you may be interpreting what they are saying as "make all mods advanced", or in your words "make average amazing", when it does not say that at all. Basic!="average" either or. Nor does advanced mean a mod is amazing by virtue of it's file size or complexity. Quality and execution, that can be done well, or not so well, regardless. That however, I'd leave up to the the overall numerical rating as obtained from many votes and as well word of mouth, or text as the case may be. And number of downloads, positive comments and of course continued longevity. My interpretation of Khaoz_master's comment is that this additional rating system could dissuade new modders from continuing to be active, when something easy to you or I, yet new and difficult for them, is listed as "basic" or "beginner." We don't know what it took them to release that mod. It could be slapdash, or it could be carefully crafted. I'm not saying that's necessarily going to be the case with everyone, but a lot of modders get started on what would be considered under this rating system "basic" mods, if not "beginner". I'm not saying, give everyone's fist mod an "Advanced" rating, it's an unnecessary addition, in my view, when what is already in place is fine. Far from perfect, but it's not detrimental. I think telling what the mod does, a review or different reviewers on staff test driving the various mods and then going by number of downloads and positive vs negative comments and so on is a far better meter of judgment. And the social aspect is, I feel is just as if not more unnecessary than the new rating system itself. You made a mod. That's it. It might be enjoyable, it might be frustrating, frak, it might not even work right. At the least, you can enjoy your creation and maybe someone else might too. But it doesn't make you any more or less "cool," it will most likely not help you in the romance department. And a cult of personality is not likely, and if you get one "KILL IT WITH FIRE." The wording in both aspects. If the new rating system is to remain, I say kill the social aspect, even reading it as a joke, it's not *that* funny and is somewhat less professional, or so I feel. Punch up the wording in the criteria area. Drop stuff like "...but aren't anything totally new."If it's not totally new, people will probably figure that out (maybe, if they're not complete morons). And SW is filled with things that aren't "totally new", I say that as a fan. Stick to the technical criteria, if you absolutely have to use this new fangled system. Like, something "advanced" for example, "May do everything from the previous categories, as well as...." and list things that might get modified, original models and textures, restored or additional modules, etc etc etc I would stay away from using other mods as reference points, as in the "Advanced" section, totally not necessary, I suppose, but a personal preference. This is just my opinion, thoughts as a (sleepy) writer, modder and person in general, I mean no disrespect to anyone. Really. You have to put a warning sometimes or risk people reading you the wrong way, then you have to add a silly addition like this to make sure you aren't interpreted as being a jerk just saying that. I suspect many of you will be thinking tl;dr though. XD

 #10 - Posted by: Tar_Minyatur (Member) on 09-27-2008 at 05:29

Seriously... Penguin Unit posts something that is mildly offensive and the post gets snipped... Anyone else does and nothing happens.I really think that nothing will happen with him if you don't give him a chance to, in your eyes, 'redeem' himself. On the topic of the new rating system, I agree with ThePaper's comment (albeit very long), and think that we were fine the way it was. I would recommend changing it by doing things like making little headings once you click on 'mods' or 'skins', listed above the subfolders, that would let you make it so that only advanced, or basic mods would show., and altering the criteria for meeting the different ratings. That's my view on this concept in full.

 #11 - Posted by: To3_J4m (Member) on 09-27-2008 at 06:14

I like the system, but I think it could do with some fine tuning. Such as, what I've seen on other sites on the network is that they have a system which will give a 1-10 for creativity, 1-10 for fun factor (how fun it is to play, duh), and other things. I agree with Khaoz in part because new modders who found that their mod didn't get a good rating will discourage them. Maybe you could combine your system with the one I just mentioned? Not trying to force you, but you said you wanted us to tell you if we thought it needed improving or tweaking.

 #12 - Posted by: acrazy1one (Member) on 09-27-2008 at 12:38

does anyone even care about the rating? honestly, I never look at it and I could care less if you guys just screwed rating mods.... it never affects my decision in downloading a mod anyway

 #13 - Posted by: A_L_I_E_N (Member) on 09-28-2008 at 13:57

Why so serious? :lol:

 #14 - Posted by: Anakin12 (Member) on 09-28-2008 at 15:35

IDC about it

 #15 - Posted by: Darth__Cyrax (Member) on 09-30-2008 at 12:21

like the idea, although opinions are not the equal it does give you some idea of what to expect. but if you like the mod you'll download it anyway to see if you like it in game as well, so yes keep it ;)

 #16 - Posted by: Eagleracer38x (Member) on 10-02-2008 at 10:07

Well the system has only been around for a very short time, and I've only just noticed it a day or two ago along with it's not appearing that often. It's had to stay good or bad yet...

 #17 - Posted by: Eagleracer38x (Member) on 10-02-2008 at 10:09

Sry for double post, I liked to old system that had things like "balance" and "creativity" ratings which the Battlefront site still uses. I know a lot of the areas don't apply to mods, but I thought it was a really good system myself.

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